View Full Version : Am I the only person here that shoots IPSC?
Chuck S
10-02-2005, 10:57 PM
The following is my personal observation/opinion. Just in case I do have on my flame retardant shorts! Anyway, having shot IPSC and observed IDPA I have chosen to shoot IPSC. I like to shoot and IPSC has high round counts. A lot higher and faster than IDPA. Personally I dont care if its not realistic or whatever. You get to shoot a lot and it can be very challenging. Just wondering because it seems like almost everyone here is an IDPA and Glock person. Of course it could just be my contrary :madbox: nature to be an IPSC and 1911 guy! But of course to each his (or her) own.
IDPA isn't realistic either.
;)
I figure I'll probably get into IPSC eventually.
They are both just games and I shoot both. With a Glock 17.
Michael Brown
10-03-2005, 09:04 AM
I don't believe it has to be an either/or proposition.
That said, Oil Capital only has IPSC on sunday so I can't go then.
Red Castle's matches are $15 so I only go to one Red Castle match per month.
I won't drive to OKC on a regular basis for a match so that rules out their match for me.
On the comparison side of things, I prefer IDPA to IPSC because of its relevency as opposed to being "realistic" which neither sport is.
When I say relevency, I refer to what I am using a pistol for which is 100% for self-defense. Shooting sports assist in this but I have found that IPSC shooters become consumed by the need for better scores and fun which are only a side benefit to me. Thus IPSC becomes the end as opposed to the means. this happens in IDPA as well but I have found it to be less pervasive.
I believe this is so because of the nature of the course design and the rules. In IPSC winning is fundamentally based on course doping and rehearsal. In IDPA if the courses are designed properly, there will only be one way to shoot it so the question of who shoots better becomes the deciding factor. While I acknowledge that you can't be a poor shooter and do well in IPSC, shooting is only a percentage of the equation.
That is why IDPA, at the national level, is not dominated by IPSC shooters. IPSC shooters tend to do better in IDPA than vice-versa, but the guys who win in IDPA are still beating the best IPSC shooters in IDPA. If one sport's shooters were better or worse, then we would see one sport's shooters winning in both disciplines.
The problem with IDPA is that too many course designers turn it into "IPSC-Stupid" by trying to make sure the competitors get to shoot enough rounds. They feel that shooters always want new challenges and so they make courses that become more and more complex and get away from the nature of the sport which is intended to be a simple format that tests shooting skills.
The other huge advantage IPSC has over IDPA is that it is a truly organized activity with clear-cut rules and procedures. IDPA is just the opposite with its disorganized nature and penchant for mid-match changes. I think this is the area in which IDPA has failed to learn from IPSC.
Pick your potion and do your shooting. There is an option for everyone. Better yet, do both and exercise your constitutional rights that most in the world would love to have.
Simply be glad that all shooters, regardless of discipline, still have a place to ply their trade. Hang together or we shall surely hang seperately.
Michael Brown
10mm1911
10-03-2005, 10:49 AM
Dang, I hate posting behind Michael Brown. I just can't keep up with his articulation and clear thinking.
So, being prepared to look foolish, I'll throw in my opinion.
While neither sport, IDPA or IPSC, is very realistic, and neither will be a substitute for proper training, I believe that both offer an important training opportunity. Both games offer the shooter a chance to perform under a stress load. Granted, the stress of competition will never equal the stress of a defensive incident, it still offers a stress level well above zero! While we may not admit it publicly, all of us are competitive, none of us like to lose, and none of us will ever enjoy looking bad in front of our peers. These factors really do produce a stress level under which we expect ourselves to perform well. This is something that simply never happens while practicing alone, or even in a small group.
I suspect I've burned as much ammo as anyone on this board, and I will tell you that every time I step into the start box, and hear the RO announce, "Load and make ready!" my heart starts pumping, and my hands tremble just a bit. At the end of a course of fire, quite often my hands are trembling so hard that I find it difficult to sign my own score sheet. THAT'S the value of playing gun games. It's a rare opportunity to force yourself to perform under a stress load!
Helmut
10-03-2005, 01:00 PM
i shoot uspsa 3-gun and Mulit-gun 3-gun.........
i personally don't like the whiners/arrogant that play the game (uspsa or idpa)......i have good friends in both organizations......don't get me wrong, i love shooting the sport and there is alot of shooters that humble themselves to others, but the people stuck on themselves I have to laugh at........and yes it is all a game.
i do not shoot just pistol matches.....i am just hooked on the 3-gun thing.
As for IDPA's "realistic" hypocrisy......i cannot bring myself to give money to a "PROFIT" organization and Bill Wilson's pocket. I like the fact that USPSA is a NON-PROFIT organization.
but all this is just my rantings......
tams72
10-04-2005, 09:58 AM
I shoot to increase my accuracy and to be around a great bunch of guys and gals...I know I am not a great shooter but to me it is all about enjoying yourself and being around friends...I shoot IDPA primarily and I have shot a few IPSC matches and both are equally fun...maybe that is not how most people look at it but that is why it is called an opinion, right?
ERIC FUSON
10-14-2005, 09:00 AM
They Are All Just Games You Play With Guns... That In Itself Just Means Fun
JuniorDVC
10-20-2005, 09:47 PM
I shoot to increase my accuracy and to be around a great bunch of guys and gals...I know I am not a great shooter but to me it is all about enjoying yourself and being around friends...I shoot IDPA primarily and I have shot a few IPSC matches and both are equally fun...maybe that is not how most people look at it but that is why it is called an opinion, right?
i shoot so i can beat u :ugh2: hehe... and hopefully eric someday
tams72
10-21-2005, 07:41 PM
i shoot so i can beat u :ugh2: hehe... and hopefully eric someday
One of these days kiddo I will be able to beat you (even if I have to Tonya Harding you) and you will have to eat that crow you just adopted... :wink2:
JuniorDVC
10-22-2005, 05:57 PM
One of these days kiddo I will be able to beat you (even if I have to Tonya Harding you) and you will have to eat that crow you just adopted... :wink2:
Woah, i adopted a crow? I don't think I'm ready for that responsibility! :nolike:
-jay
tams72
10-22-2005, 09:53 PM
Woah, i adopted a crow? I don't think I'm ready for that responsibility! :nolike:
-jay
Missed you today kiddo...I would've gave you a run for your money today... hehe
:gun1:
JuniorDVC
10-23-2005, 07:14 PM
No reason why you can't do it next time!
-jay
tams72
10-23-2005, 07:54 PM
No reason why you can't do it next time!
-jay
I will....trust me...I will
IDtheTarget
10-23-2005, 11:51 PM
I'm actually glad that this thread is here. I've been looking into the IPSC and IDPA, only for the experience. I'm just applied for my SDA, and I'm taking the responsibility seriously. I've had my Glock G19 for about 6 weeks and already put almost 1000 rounds downrange at H&H in OKC.
I don't think I could live with myself if, when found in a situation where I had to draw my weapon, I ended up shooting an innocent. So I practice as often as I can.
As part of that, I realize that shooting at paper targets at my own pace is not realistic training. I'm putting the holes in the paper to get myself used to the basics, and I intend to do all of the advanced pistol classes at H&H, but I want more. It seems to me that those "gun games" might give me more to fall back on if it really hits the fan. Am I way off base here?
Thanks!
Helmut
10-24-2005, 08:35 AM
http://ipsc.okcgunclub.org/ they shoot uspsa pistol matches here.....i have shot a couple 3-gun matches here...it is a very nice range and nice people......
tams72
10-24-2005, 10:21 AM
If you want to take even more training a good class that I have found is the Advanced Combat Pistol Course (AP1) that TDSA puts on in Tulsa...I have taken it as well as the AP1&2 Combo course and had a blast...you go throughabout 1500 rounds in 2 days...they do a pre and post test...trust me you learn your gun and what you can do with it and how to use it safely...you also learn to draw and reload...very nice class...HIGHLY recommended by me and others...www.tdsatulsa.com...tell him Tammy sent ya...
JuniorDVC
10-25-2005, 09:50 PM
...very nice class...HIGHLY recommended by me and others...www.tdsatulsa.com...tell him Tammy sent ya...
I second that notion. Also, Marshall is a really awesome dude.
-jay
I'm actually glad that this thread is here. I've been looking into the IPSC and IDPA, only for the experience. I'm just applied for my SDA, and I'm taking the responsibility seriously. I've had my Glock G19 for about 6 weeks and already put almost 1000 rounds downrange at H&H in OKC.
I don't think I could live with myself if, when found in a situation where I had to draw my weapon, I ended up shooting an innocent. So I practice as often as I can.
As part of that, I realize that shooting at paper targets at my own pace is not realistic training. I'm putting the holes in the paper to get myself used to the basics, and I intend to do all of the advanced pistol classes at H&H, but I want more. It seems to me that those "gun games" might give me more to fall back on if it really hits the fan. Am I way off base here?
Thanks!
I've done all of Will's classes at H&H, as well as Farnham's advanced class there. They were all good, and I recommend them to you. We also shoot USPSA matches at H&H on the second Sunday of every month, at 5:30. Come out and shoot with us next month. There are always several folks there shooting their first match, and it is much less intense than the matches in Arcadia.
ERIC FUSON
11-17-2005, 08:21 AM
I Am An Instructor For Tdsa. The Reason I Teach For Them Is Because Of Everything They Taught Me. After My First Class, I Looked At My Glock 17 And Said....... Oh, Thats What A Handgun Is For... Thats What They Do..
Sence That First Class Less Than Two Years Ago, I Have Won More Than 15 Major And State Championships Across The Country... Tdsa Is Awesome
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