How to "LEGALLY" convert an AK47 to full auto

[Hbuck72]

I want to know how to "LEGALLY" convert an Ak-47 to full auto. I know that i cannot do it legally myself that it will have to be done at a class III manufacturer. Is there anyplace in Oklahoma that is a Class III and converts AK's? I know that there is a bunch of taxes involved. does anyone know how much they are (I have heard around $1,000 in taxes). I am really kind of ignorant on this i own a Romanian Ak and just would like some info. or is it easier to try and find one that has already been converted? Again i do not want to do a "home-made" conversion it has to be legal.

thanks,
-Jason

[CAR-AR-M16]

Unfortunately there is no way to convert an AK legally. All full-auto's that are available to civilians had to have been manufactured and registered with the ATF before May 19, 1986. There are not any registered conversion devices for AK's available that I am aware of. The only way to get a full-auto AK is to buy a registered one and they are over $15,000. Sorry:(

[J.P.]

What a bunch of crap!

"....shall not be infringed"

*sigh*

[Scott_In_OKC]

I write my Congressmen every session about repealing the May 86 prohibition. I don't see that one changing anytime soon.

[Hbuck72]

oh wow i did not know that. What about full auto or select fire M16's. are there any weapons that someone can buy that is full auto like an MP-5?

[CAR-AR-M16]

oh wow i did not know that. What about full auto or select fire M16's. are there any weapons that someone can buy that is full auto like an MP-5?

You can buy an M16, MP-5, AK, etc.. that is full auto, except they are very expensive, because supply is fixed due to 86 ban and demand is high. M-16 will run over $10,000, AK and MP-5 over $15,000, M-60 over $35,000, etc... The cheapest full auto is the MAC-10/11 series which are going for around $3,500. You have to pay to play.

[Hbuck72]

You can buy an M16, MP-5, AK, etc.. that is full auto, except they are very expensive, because supply is fixed due to 86 ban and demand is high. M-16 will run over $10,000, AK and MP-5 over $15,000, M-60 over $35,000, etc... The cheapest full auto is the MAC-10/11 series which are going for around $3,500. You have to pay to play.

:disappoin

[MAJ MALFUNCTION]

Hbuck72,

I would just like to echo what CAR-AR-M16 has said (and his price estimates for each gun are ballz-on-accurate) and add that there are two main boards that NFA (National Firearms Act) guns (read full auto) are listed on:

Sturmgewehr.com

Subguns.com

If you look on both of these boards, you'll see lots of full-auto guns for sale and get a good feel for the prices.

On the subject of "converting" an AR to full auto, there are two ways that you can legally do it. You can purchase a Lightning Link, (often abbreviated as an RLL - Registered Lightning Link) witch is a Serial Numbered Part that legally converts your "semi" setting on your selector to full-auto. RLLs sell for 8-9K. Or you can look into an RDIAS (Registered drop in auto sear). Not sure what the current asking price for sears is, though.

[MAS GunWorks]

Depending on who made the RDIAS will determine the price. Most are in the $11000 and up range. It is almost better to find a full auto M-16.

[CAR-AR-M16]

Hbuck72,

On the subject of "converting" an AR to full auto, there are two ways that you can legally do it. You can purchase a Lightning Link, (often abbreviated as an RLL - Registered Lightning Link) witch is a Serial Numbered Part that legally converts your "semi" setting on your selector to full-auto. RLLs sell for 8-9K. Or you can look into an RDIAS (Registered drop in auto sear). Not sure what the current asking price for sears is, though.

RDIAS's are actually higher than some registered receivers right now. I have seen some in the $12K-$13K range!

[bbcode3]

OR.....another way.....fill out and ATF form 7 :contract: with a photo, fingerprints and $150.....send it in.....wait a few months....get an interview with an ATF agent and background check.....get your Oklahoma sales tax permit (and file it every month even if you don't sell anything).... obtain a local business permit....get your type 07 FFL (firearms manufacturer).....then send in another $500 every year after that and become and NFA firearms manufacturer.....then learn how to LEGALLY convert an AK-47....engrave it....convert it to full auto....then notify ATF you made it on a form 2.....

Lastly, when you give up your license or get tired of paying $500 every year, you can destroy your post-86 AK-47, transfer it to another class II/III dealer or give it to a local law enforcement agency.

By the way...ATF will not issue a FFL unless you are obtaining the license to engage in business (not just to collect).

[CAR-AR-M16]

OR.....another way.....fill out and ATF form 7 :contract: with a photo, fingerprints and $150.....send it in.....wait a few months....get an interview with an ATF agent and background check.....get your Oklahoma sales tax permit (and file it every month even if you don't sell anything).... obtain a local business permit....get your type 07 FFL (firearms manufacturer).....then send in another $500 every year after that and become and NFA firearms manufacturer.....then learn how to LEGALLY convert an AK-47....engrave it....convert it to full auto....then notify ATF you made it on a form 2.....

Lastly, when you give up your license or get tired of paying $500 every year, you can destroy your post-86 AK-47, transfer it to another class II/III dealer or give it to a local law enforcement agency.

By the way...ATF will not issue a FFL unless you are obtaining the license to engage in business (not just to collect).

I beleive that 07 manufacturers also pay a yearly $1750 ITAR fee as well (even though they are not exporting any arms).

[bbcode3]

that is up to debate, currently.....luckily, they haven't asked for it yet....

[CAR-AR-M16]

that is up to debate, currently.....luckily, they haven't asked for it yet....

I found this info about ITAR fees on AR-15.com

ITAR is a manufacturing fee -- dealers don't have to pay it. But every manufacturer must pay the ITAR fee, whether or not they export product.

The International Traffic in Arms Regulations program is administered by the U.S. State Department's Office of Defense Trade Controls, not by BATFE. It is a registry of manufacturers and their products maintained to trace the source of any item on the U.S. Munitions List, which in addition to firearms includes parts, components, optics and accessories.

BTW, ITAR is the product of an international agreement we signed with our "friends" at the United Nations. The registry info is used to track arms caches, discovered anywhere in the world, back to the source. And in the process, locate the middlemen who do the illegal exporting. Often what they find are products which the manufacturer never intended to export, but they need to track it nevertheless. So there are no exceptions: All manufacturers must register and pay the ITAR fee.

It applies to anyone who manufactures anything on the U.S. Munitions List, which is here (in .pdf form): www.pmddtc.state.gov/docs/ITAR/2006/ITAR_Part_121.pdf

The ITAR fee must be paid by SOT manufacturers, non-SOT firearms manufacturers, even non-FFL manufacturers if they make accessories (optics, mounts, stocks, etc.) that "enhance the usefulness, effectiveness or capabilities" of any item on the Munitions list. (Think about the implications of that phrase for a minute.)

And check the registration requirements in 122.1 of the above link.

[Tim_7.62x54R]

what about type 9 ffl (class 3 dealer)? it is probably more ,3k for 3 yrs, but then u could buy and sell class 3 firearms.

[MAS GunWorks]

What about dealer samples you buy as a class II/III? Are you able to keep them and pay the $200 stamp per item?

[CAR-AR-M16]

What about dealer samples you buy as a class II/III? Are you able to keep them and pay the $200 stamp per item?

If it is a pre-86 dealer sample you may keep it when you let your license go. It can not be willed to a family member when you die (unless they are an C3 dealer as well) and it can only transfer to another C3 dealer. If it is a post-86 dealer sample (which requires a LE demo letter to get) you must transfer it to another C3 dealer before you let your license go.