liliysdad
11-20-2005, 07:04 PM
Is this stuff any good?
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J.P.
11-20-2005, 07:10 PM
I haven't been too impressed with the g-code stuff i've handled.
What purpose are you looking at the gear for?
What purpose are you looking at the gear for?
liliysdad
11-20-2005, 07:33 PM
Im looking for a off duty holster. Not really a concealed rig, but something I can wear at the range and to training stuff. I might compete in IDPA eventually, but its not a huge concern. IDPA Legal would be nice, but not necessary.
Basically, Im wanting something better than a Mike's/ Fobus, but not as expensive as a Sidearmor, and that I can get without the 6 week wait that Blade-tech has.
Basically, Im wanting something better than a Mike's/ Fobus, but not as expensive as a Sidearmor, and that I can get without the 6 week wait that Blade-tech has.
Michael Brown
11-20-2005, 08:11 PM
I would consider a few things before making that purchase:
A lot of police officers buy these type of kydex rigs because they are convenient and inexpensive. The question is, what for?
If you intend to wear it to the range, get something you will actually carry concealed or wear at work. Kydex OWB is a poor choice for this.
One of my pet peeves is officers getting a rig for the range.
What is the point then? If you're not practicing from something you'll carry, exactly what are you practicing?
If you intend to use a kydex OWB for something like IDPA, then it has a purpose.
If you intend to wear it to the range because its easier than wearing your duty rig or a concealed rig, then I would submit that you should reconsider why you are training and give it honest appraisal.
The worst violators of this type of practice are instructors. In fact there are several very popular instructors who do just this. At my private classes and when I am teaching at the department, I only wear a legit concealed rig or my duty rig and shoot a stock, unmodified gun. If an instructor doesn't, what kind of message is being sent?
Think about what you're trying to do before you make this purchase.
If you decide you absolutely must have an OWB holster, try leather before kydex (Galco Avenger or Concealable). It is much more usable for defensive carry.
If you can't live without kydex, try Comp-Tac.
Michael Brown
A lot of police officers buy these type of kydex rigs because they are convenient and inexpensive. The question is, what for?
If you intend to wear it to the range, get something you will actually carry concealed or wear at work. Kydex OWB is a poor choice for this.
One of my pet peeves is officers getting a rig for the range.
What is the point then? If you're not practicing from something you'll carry, exactly what are you practicing?
If you intend to use a kydex OWB for something like IDPA, then it has a purpose.
If you intend to wear it to the range because its easier than wearing your duty rig or a concealed rig, then I would submit that you should reconsider why you are training and give it honest appraisal.
The worst violators of this type of practice are instructors. In fact there are several very popular instructors who do just this. At my private classes and when I am teaching at the department, I only wear a legit concealed rig or my duty rig and shoot a stock, unmodified gun. If an instructor doesn't, what kind of message is being sent?
Think about what you're trying to do before you make this purchase.
If you decide you absolutely must have an OWB holster, try leather before kydex (Galco Avenger or Concealable). It is much more usable for defensive carry.
If you can't live without kydex, try Comp-Tac.
Michael Brown
liliysdad
11-20-2005, 08:40 PM
These are very valid points, and they are not ignored. I go the range for two reasons. The first is the obvious, to train, the second is for fun. These are times that I do not wear a duty rig, and want a light holster.
I work and live in a small town. I often open carry while not in uniform for court duty, in-department training, call outs, etc. I do not carry a full duty rig at these times, as it is not needed.
I have toyed with the idea of IDPA, and will most likely take part in a few months. I would like to have a rig to play with in the mean time. Plus, I have some cash, and I want a Kydex Holster thats not crap. Do I really need a reason for a new toy?
I work and live in a small town. I often open carry while not in uniform for court duty, in-department training, call outs, etc. I do not carry a full duty rig at these times, as it is not needed.
I have toyed with the idea of IDPA, and will most likely take part in a few months. I would like to have a rig to play with in the mean time. Plus, I have some cash, and I want a Kydex Holster thats not crap. Do I really need a reason for a new toy?
J.P.
11-20-2005, 09:18 PM
Mike's points are valid and in fact,I've altered my opinion of holsters based soley on his experiences with them during training and elsewhere.
Leather is definitely the best way to go for an OWB holster.
As far as IDPA goes,I've found none better than Ready Tactical.
CompTAC would be my second choice.
Leather is definitely the best way to go for an OWB holster.
As far as IDPA goes,I've found none better than Ready Tactical.
CompTAC would be my second choice.
liliysdad
11-20-2005, 09:53 PM
OK, points taken. On that point, recomend me a good, decently priced leather OWB holster that will do for both concealment and IDPA useage.
Michael Brown
11-20-2005, 10:17 PM
These are very valid points, and they are not ignored. I go the range for two reasons. The first is the obvious, to train, the second is for fun. These are times that I do not wear a duty rig, and want a light holster.
I work and live in a small town. I often open carry while not in uniform for court duty, in-department training, call outs, etc. I do not carry a full duty rig at these times, as it is not needed.
I have toyed with the idea of IDPA, and will most likely take part in a few months. I would like to have a rig to play with in the mean time. Plus, I have some cash, and I want a Kydex Holster thats not crap. Do I really need a reason for a new toy?
If you are wanting a holster for open carry while not in uniform for the reasons you specified, I would even more highly discourage you from choosing a kydex holster.
The majority of officers killed work for small agencies and live in small towns and that makes holster selection for your purposes even more important, although those reasons are so numerous they would need a new thread. If you would like to discuss these issues, I will gladly start a new thread or feel free to contact me directly.
I get the impression, from looking at your previous posts, that you are new to law enforcement (although I obviously don't know and if I'm incorrect I apologize in advance). If this is correct, I will offer that I've spent most of my career studying the survival patterns and techniques in law enforcement and one of the most glaring deficiencies officers display is lack of familiarity with equipment. Thus I strongly encourage a well-thought out plan that considers what you really use your equipment for, and then minimize the number of selections.
The problem is that most officers and self-defense minded citizens don't really know what they need because they haven't really trained for the problem. Most firearms training in the private sector and law enforcement completely misrepresents the problems students face and thus equipment is selected for a problem that is substantially different than the real problem. This is true for a great many well-known and experienced trainers.
If you just want a new toy, then spend away. Who am I to tell you not to get something with your hard-earned check?
I simply offer that as a brother officer, I am greatly concerned with the practical aspects of firearms usage and only hope that others will make well thought-out decisions regarding equipment that may assist in saving their lives.
Michael Brown
I work and live in a small town. I often open carry while not in uniform for court duty, in-department training, call outs, etc. I do not carry a full duty rig at these times, as it is not needed.
I have toyed with the idea of IDPA, and will most likely take part in a few months. I would like to have a rig to play with in the mean time. Plus, I have some cash, and I want a Kydex Holster thats not crap. Do I really need a reason for a new toy?
If you are wanting a holster for open carry while not in uniform for the reasons you specified, I would even more highly discourage you from choosing a kydex holster.
The majority of officers killed work for small agencies and live in small towns and that makes holster selection for your purposes even more important, although those reasons are so numerous they would need a new thread. If you would like to discuss these issues, I will gladly start a new thread or feel free to contact me directly.
I get the impression, from looking at your previous posts, that you are new to law enforcement (although I obviously don't know and if I'm incorrect I apologize in advance). If this is correct, I will offer that I've spent most of my career studying the survival patterns and techniques in law enforcement and one of the most glaring deficiencies officers display is lack of familiarity with equipment. Thus I strongly encourage a well-thought out plan that considers what you really use your equipment for, and then minimize the number of selections.
The problem is that most officers and self-defense minded citizens don't really know what they need because they haven't really trained for the problem. Most firearms training in the private sector and law enforcement completely misrepresents the problems students face and thus equipment is selected for a problem that is substantially different than the real problem. This is true for a great many well-known and experienced trainers.
If you just want a new toy, then spend away. Who am I to tell you not to get something with your hard-earned check?
I simply offer that as a brother officer, I am greatly concerned with the practical aspects of firearms usage and only hope that others will make well thought-out decisions regarding equipment that may assist in saving their lives.
Michael Brown
J.P.
11-20-2005, 10:27 PM
There are many great holster makers out there.
Milt sparks,Galco,High Noon,Blocker,Tucker Gunleather,Del Fatti,Alessi....the list goes on and on.
The Galco concealable has always brought me luck for concealed OWB carry and i've seen a few in IDPA.
For open carry,you might consider a Galco Fed paddle or something with a retention strap.
Research some of the names I've dropped above and you will find something that works well.
Milt sparks,Galco,High Noon,Blocker,Tucker Gunleather,Del Fatti,Alessi....the list goes on and on.
The Galco concealable has always brought me luck for concealed OWB carry and i've seen a few in IDPA.
For open carry,you might consider a Galco Fed paddle or something with a retention strap.
Research some of the names I've dropped above and you will find something that works well.
Michael Brown
11-20-2005, 11:04 PM
All good choices.
Michael Brown
Michael Brown
TwoBravo
11-21-2005, 12:49 PM
Michael,
I still have some of my old security jobs that I used to do when I was with the department. I don't wear my duty belt often anymore and I usually just wear my Glock 19 strong side, and a combo OC/Cuff Case weak side and a spare mag pouch next to that. Kind of a bare bones type setup in my opinion.
My holster is a Bianchi #80 which is a leather OWB holster that has a pinch retention built in. It had this little strap that had a square cutout that fit over the back of the gun. I took it off as it never seemed to be secured anyway. Do you think that this setup is sufficient for work or would you go to something with a retention strap?
Keep in mind experience (prior LEO, several advanced classes, weapon retention being a big focus in several of them).
I've though about going to something with both the pinch retention and a thumb break but I haven't decided yet. What do you think?
I still have some of my old security jobs that I used to do when I was with the department. I don't wear my duty belt often anymore and I usually just wear my Glock 19 strong side, and a combo OC/Cuff Case weak side and a spare mag pouch next to that. Kind of a bare bones type setup in my opinion.
My holster is a Bianchi #80 which is a leather OWB holster that has a pinch retention built in. It had this little strap that had a square cutout that fit over the back of the gun. I took it off as it never seemed to be secured anyway. Do you think that this setup is sufficient for work or would you go to something with a retention strap?
Keep in mind experience (prior LEO, several advanced classes, weapon retention being a big focus in several of them).
I've though about going to something with both the pinch retention and a thumb break but I haven't decided yet. What do you think?
Michael Brown
11-21-2005, 12:58 PM
I'm of the opinion that if you are going to carry in the open, your holster should have some kind of retention device.
When I worked in plainclothes, I always concealed my gun so I've never carried open without a duty holster.
I'm not too familiar with the name of the particular Bianchi model you're referring to but I'm sure I've seen it. If it has plastic attachments to the belt, I wouldn't go with it but if it has a full wrap-around feature made of leather or nylon or some other semi-flexible material, its probably just fine.
Michael Brown
When I worked in plainclothes, I always concealed my gun so I've never carried open without a duty holster.
I'm not too familiar with the name of the particular Bianchi model you're referring to but I'm sure I've seen it. If it has plastic attachments to the belt, I wouldn't go with it but if it has a full wrap-around feature made of leather or nylon or some other semi-flexible material, its probably just fine.
Michael Brown
Cowman
12-11-2005, 12:16 PM
I haven't shot IDPA for awhile now. But, I have heard they have changed some rules about holsters and mag carriers. Something to look into. I like Haugen Handgun Leather. They make holsters for many guns. They are afordable as well. I looked high and low for a holster for my Kimber hi cap. The one with the Bul frame. They made me one within a week or so. Make holster's for the Makarov too. Regards
liliysdad
12-11-2005, 07:07 PM
I wound up buying a Grandfather Oak carry Companion. Great quality, I like it.
Michael Brown
12-11-2005, 09:51 PM
I wound up buying a Grandfather Oak carry Companion. Great quality, I like it.
I've never heard of it....
Could you post a pic or two? I'm always interested in what's out there.
Michael Brown
I've never heard of it....
Could you post a pic or two? I'm always interested in what's out there.
Michael Brown
liliysdad
12-12-2005, 10:28 AM
I will post a pic in a little while. I still need to take some photos of my new AR.
The grandfather Oak is a decent priced holster, may or may not be IDPA legal. I bought it for the sole use of trying it to see if I wanted to lay the cash down for a real nice one or not.
The grandfather Oak is a decent priced holster, may or may not be IDPA legal. I bought it for the sole use of trying it to see if I wanted to lay the cash down for a real nice one or not.
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