I Hate To Ask This, But...

[pete156]

How do y'all handle pants down bathroom trips, especially in a public stall, while carrying IWB or OWB?

I carry OWB and have noticed that if I'm not careful it bangs the floor. Besides that, if it's around your ankles then whoever's in the next stall could easily see it under the stall. An option would be to remove it and put it off to the side, but that is a bad idea since you risk forgetting to pick it back up.

Again, I feel stupid for asking, but I'm just curious

[Michael Brown]

How do y'all handle pants down bathroom trips, especially in a public stall, while carrying IWB or OWB?

I carry OWB and have noticed that if I'm not careful it bangs the floor. Besides that, if it's around your ankles then whoever's in the next stall could easily see it under the stall. An option would be to remove it and put it off to the side, but that is a bad idea since you risk forgetting to pick it back up.

Again, I feel stupid for asking, but I'm just curious

Its actually a VERY good question that goes unanswered in a lot of training.

If you are carrying on a belt holster, I believe the two best options are.

1) Take the gun out of the holster and place it in the crotch fabric or in your pant-legs when they are sown at your ankles. This should conceal it. It also comes close to insuring that you won't forget it.

2) Take the gun out of your holster and place it behind you on the rear of the toilet or if the toilet paper dispenser is large enough, on top of it.

I usually opt for #2 when feasible.

And yes, I understand the irony of me refering to this as #2.
:wink2:

Michael Brown

[J.P.]

I opt for method #1 (when #2)

[pete156]

And yes, I understand the irony of me refering to this as #2.
:wink2:


I'm glad you said that because I was definately gonna point it out. :wink2:

Thanks for the info also. :)

[brennan]

Put it in the crotch of your pants.

[aod93gt]

Put it in the crotch of your pants.

I think that is covered in option #1.

[J.P.]

Put it in the crotch of your pants.

Yep.
That's what I usually do.
The trick is transitioning from unholstering,dropping trou,and getting the gun into the crotch.
I often place it under my arm while I unbutton but I'm not convinced that's the best option.

[Michael Brown]

I think that is covered in option #1.

You said #1.

Then J.P. said crotch.

That rocks.

:chat:

Michael Brown

[okla-lawman]

Also try to get the handicap stall as that gives you more room. try to get a stall with a solid wall on your gun side. Both of these will help keep you from getting spotted while transitioning.

[brennan]

How do y'all handle pants down bathroom trips, especially in a public stall, while carrying IWB or OWB?

I carry OWB and have noticed that if I'm not careful it bangs the floor. Besides that, if it's around your ankles then whoever's in the next stall could easily see it under the stall. An option would be to remove it and put it off to the side, but that is a bad idea since you risk forgetting to pick it back up.

Again, I feel stupid for asking, but I'm just curious

I did not see and option #1

[pete156]

1) Take the gun out of the holster and place it in the crotch fabric or in your pant-legs when they are sown at your ankles. This should conceal it. It also comes close to insuring that you won't forget it.



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Option #1

[Flyboy]

I much prefer option 1 (putting it in the crotch of my pants while seated). The following (entirely true) story explains why:


"Ohboyohboyohboy! I get to fly to work today! And I get to take the Baron!" I rolled off the couch early (0915), and more enthusiastic than normal, even for a Friday.

I staggered a few steps until I got my balance (Friday or not, it's still morning), and, once I got my brain in control of my feet, trundled off toward the bathroom. Mmmm...hot shower, good shave, deodorant, brush my teeth, and comb my hair. Finding my way to the closet, I pick out a pair of jeans, a shirt, and an overshirt. A quick phone call to the FBO to ask them to pull the airplane out of the hangar, and I'm on my way.

I get to the airport, and the airplane is already out and waiting. Excellent; I pull my truck into the hangar, toss my laptop in the back of the airplane, and start preflighting. Everything looks good, so I jump up on the wing and make for seat 0-A. Five minutes later, the engines are purring (there's nothing quite so beautiful as a pair of unmuffled IO-540's, at least nothing with an even number of cylinders), and I'm taxiing across the ramp. I grab the AWOS, and call ground control with my request.

"Baron Six Four Bravo, taxi to runway three." Three? But the wind's out of 320. I call back with a request for runway 35, but am denied: three-five is closed for painting. Ah, well, no big deal; it's only ten or fifteen knots of crosswind, and the Baron has a good rudder. I taxi to runway 3, stop at the hold-short line, and do my run-up. Everything checks out normal, no alert lights, everything in the green. I'm ready to go. "Tower, Baron Six Four Bravo, ready to go at three." "Roger, Baron Six Four Bravo, cleared for immediate takeoff, or hold short, landing Cessna traffic." Ordinarily, I'd take the immediate, but seeing as how I'm not insured in this aircraft, I figure discretion is the better part of valor, and opt to let the Cessna land first. He does; as soon as he passes me, tower clears me to take position, and a few seconds later, I'm advised that "the preceding Cessna is in the closed traffic pattern, cleared for takeoff."

I smoothly, but smartly, advance the throttles to takeoff power. Six hundred horses roar, and six propeller blades buzz and scream as I accelerate to a hundred knots (a little faster than normal; with the crosswind, I opt to keep it on the ground a little longer). A bit of back pressure on the hefty metal yoke, and the nosewheel comes off the ground, followed immediately by the mains. I see the Cessna ahead of me, and realize that while I'm climbing out at 120 knots, he's probably nearer seventy. That's fine, no problem; I pull back a little more, peg the airspeed indicator on blue line, and climb over the little Skyhawk at a solid two thousand feet per minute. I know, airplanes aren't toys—'specially when they're not yours—but a "woo-hoo!" managed to escape my lips. (They probably heard that one in the tower.) A quick left turn, and I'm on my way to the office. A bit bumpy—OK, a lot bumpy, probably "moderate" turbulence, even in a twin with high wing loading—but still fun. I mean, hell, I'm flying, doing a hundred and seventy knots, while the poor schmucks below me are lucky to do seventy miles an hour without getting tagged by the fuzz. So long, suckers!

Approach hands me off to tower, and tower clears me to land on runway three-five. I turn about a three-mile right base, and drop the gear for landing. A quick look at the gear position lights to confirm that everything is ready, and—wait a tic, everything is not ready. Left main light is dark. This isn't good. Well, maybe it just didn't lock. I raise and lower the gear, hoping to re-seat the locking device. No dice. Well, isn't this a fine way to start the day. I call tower and advise them that my gear light seems to be saying things I don't want to hear, and ask for a low pass to let the controller look at my gear. As I fly by, he says the gear look all right. Being the faithful and trusting sort, I opt to break off to the northwest and make sure. Set the autopilot, read the manual extension procedure—three times, just to be sure—and get to it.

First, disable the gear motor by pulling the breaker. OK, I reach over and pull on the breaker. And pull harder. And nothing happens, save for my fingers slipping off. "Oh, no, airplane, you do not do this to me!" I whip out my pocketknife and use the spine of the blade to pry the breaker up. It acquieses, and I go on to step two: reach behind the seat, unfold the manual extension crank, and turn counter-clockwise approximately fifty turns. I get half a turn. "Well, bubba, that means one of two things: either they're down and locked, or they're ****ed up good. Either way, you're out of options." Just for grins, I back the handle off a turn, and it turns freely; forward again, and I get my one turn back, then it stops. Well, that could be a good sign. Nothing to do now but try it. I call tower and tell them my intentions.

Remember that wind? Out of 320. Landing on runway 35. That means that it's a left crosswind, and that means the left main gets to be the first one on the ground. I convince myself that this is a good thing, as I can try the wheel while I still have flying speed. Yeah, that's it. Several short, but direct, prayers later (and remembering that I'm still not insured), I'm on final...lower...lower...*squeak!* Well, it seems to be holding; may as well go for the gold. I let the airplane settle, and, aside from more vibration than I normally feel, rolls out fine. I taxi to the ramp—very gently, mind you, just in case the wheel isn't actually locked—and shut down in front of the mechanic. He comes out to have a look...

...and decides that the gear is properly locked. Nothing for me to do here, so I head over to the office. The first order of business (after clocking in, of course) is to disgorge my boxers from the carnivorous grasp of my backside. I head for the bathroom, remove my sidearm from its holster (I've pissed a couple of people off), and set it in my pants while I get down to some paperwork. Finished with the job, I stand up and move my gun to the back of the toilet while I raise my trousers and fasten my belt. Reaching for my gun to re-holster, I miss my grip, and bump it instead.

Right into the toilet.

Folks, I'm here to tell you, the day went downhill from there.

[J.P.]

*thread hi-jack*

IO-540 J2BD (narrow deck) is the only motor I'd trust my life to.

*hi-jack over*

[Cowman]

If I am wearing a jacket, I put in one of the pockets. My friend will ride in the inside Pocket pretty good. Another thing I try to watch. Is to keep my pants from riding down to low. So the guy next door won't see my holster and stuff. Good ? Regards

[green country shooter]

1. Unfasten pants, then belt. Hold buckle and top of pants in left hand, loose end of belt and top of pants in right.

2. Lower pants to just below knees, sit down.

3. Refasten belt.

4. Spread legs so belt is tight.

This keeps it in the holster and off the ground.

Reverse when done.

[DrBaker]

1. Unfasten pants, then belt. Hold buckle and top of pants in left hand, loose end of belt and top of pants in right.

2. Lower pants to just below knees, sit down.

3. Refasten belt.

4. Spread legs so belt is tight.

This keeps it in the holster and off the ground.

Reverse when done.

Where's the step about replacing the paper ass gasket that just fell in??

[goodoleboy]

I usually leave it in the car. If not possible keep in my pants like Micheal stated. Ive left radios etc. in restrooms and thats bad enough. If I left a gun I would really have to take 4 letter word. :nolike:

[Buzzdraw]

Green Country uses the same system I use. I do try to camo the gun, perhaps with some TP, in case someone does the stall peeking thing. Removing gun from holster or otherwise removing from body increases chance of an AD. It also heightens chance of putting the dang thing down, getting an important cell phone call, and leaving the stall sans gun.

[swavy00]

I'm an option 1 guy. Easy to get to, concealed, can't forget it.

[SiGARMED]

Maybe if they looked in a stall and seen a gun they would quit peeking into stalls. Point the gun at the crack, and when someone peeks in, fart REALLY loud, and scare the hell out of them.

[Oklahoma]

if you handle gun with dirty hands, make sure to clean it

[J.P.]

Green Country uses the same system I use. I do try to camo the gun, perhaps with some TP, in case someone does the stall peeking thing. Removing gun from holster or otherwise removing from body increases chance of an AD. It also heightens chance of putting the dang thing down, getting an important cell phone call, and leaving the stall sans gun.

Buzzdraw,
the picture of you 'camoing' your gun with TP is an image that will take quite a while to erase.
:rollingla

[Glock 'em down]

Maybe if they looked in a stall and seen a gun they would quit peeking into stalls. Point the gun at the crack, and when someone peeks in, fart REALLY loud, and scare the hell out of them.


:rotflmao: :laughup: :rollingla

[Glock 'em down]

DAMN!!! YOU"RE KILLIN' ME!!! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!!!:rollingla

[OStateFlyer]

I circumvent this problem with a device I purchased used on ebay. It is a 'plug' of sorts, silicone rubber, and stealth black. I can't figure out why it vibrates, as that tends to give away my position and make my vision blurry. Before I found this thing, I was using my 5.11 tactical trousers as temporary storage for my feces. Since I carry in a tactical drop-leg holster, it works. If I had to drop-trough, I'd place the pistol in the grundle portion of my undies while I download 2.0.

[Captain38]

If you have ever left a handgun behind on top of a toilet tank in a public restroom I can assure you that the resulting panic is something you'll never forget.

[bulbboy]

Just give it to the restroom attendent to hold until you are done - oh and like at Sonic make sure you tip him as well...

[Buzz70]

Normally what I do is draw my weapon and have it at the ready just in case someone brakes the man rule by trying to open the stall door without performing the shoe check under the stall. I know the doors have the little latch lock, but they don't work very well and I have to be prepared.

[stepper]

Normally what I do is draw my weapon and have it at the ready just in case someone brakes the man rule by trying to open the stall door without performing the shoe check under the stall. I know the doors have the little latch lock, but they don't work very well and I have to be prepared.

Man, I hope I never walk in on you! :) :) I wouldn't need the stall after that!

[7point82]

Normally what I do is draw my weapon and have it at the ready just in case someone brakes the man rule by trying to open the stall door without performing the shoe check under the stall. I know the doors have the little latch lock, but they don't work very well and I have to be prepared.

Hey Buzz. If you have the time to share, maybe you could break down your whole tactical-crapper process for us. Considering the close confines of the average bathroom stall I will assume you are talking about having your pistol at high ready since low ready would not allow sufficient reaction time. My primary concern is IF you are at high ready and the stall is set up for a righty; do you 1) switch you pistol to your weak side in order to access TP with your strong side or 2) perform some sort of tactical TP cross draw maneuver with your weak/left hand? With your EXTENSIVE bathroom knowledge and experience we are all sure to benefit from your input.

P.S Please omit any chemical countermeasures your typically employ since the majority of folks here are not capable of surviving their deployment.:fart:

[dogboy13]

i usually remove holster and weapon and hold in my lap

[randytulsa2]

Like most everyone else: unholster weapon, place it in crotch of pants. I'd be afraid of an extra "splash" if I were to try and hold my piece in my lap.

Asking for more cheap puns...............

[skyydiver]

Holy CRAP, so to speak. It's back from the dead. "Download 2.0" I like that.

[Buzz70]

Hey Buzz. If you have the time to share, maybe you could break down your whole tactical-crapper process for us. Considering the close confines of the average bathroom stall I will assume you are talking about having your pistol at high ready since low ready would not allow sufficient reaction time. My primary concern is IF you are at high ready and the stall is set up for a righty; do you 1) switch you pistol to your weak side in order to access TP with your strong side or 2) perform some sort of tactical TP cross draw maneuver with your weak/left hand? With your EXTENSIVE bathroom knowledge and experience we are all sure to benefit from your input.

P.S Please omit any chemical countermeasures your typically employ since the majority of folks here are not capable of surviving their deployment.:fart:

7P,

After latching the door I draw down to clear the stall. Once I confirm it’s safe I yell out the word “CLEAR” in a very authoritative voice, like they do in police movies. I then utilize my weak hand to draw and put the ass gasket in place. You are right in presuming I keep my weapon at high ready with my eyes fixed on the sights. As far as the TP I utilize option #2 you described. It’s a simple maneuver really, you just have to focus on keeping a clean sight picture. Now the difficult part is what comes next, ummmmm… you know, when you’re finished. It took me years of practice to accomplish the wipe. I’ve trained my eyes to move independently of each other like a chameleon. I keep my right eye focused on clear sights while the left eye drops down to ensure the TP is clear. I want to ensure I have a clear sight picture with each eye. Sometimes I have to repeat this process two to three times. Once the TP is clean I again yell out the word “CLEAR” in a very authoritative voice. Which brings me to something I’ve wondered about for years. How to blind people know when they are done?

[skyydiver]

Coffee........everywhere. Buzz, that is UberTac! Thunder Ranch?

[Buzz70]

Coffee........everywhere. Buzz, that is UberTac! Thunder Ranch?

Touché. How appropriate that you relate my bathroom stall tactics with "Thunder" Ranch.

[10mmDelta]

How to blind people know when they are done?
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Hey Buzz, I understand blind persons measure the fullness of the beverage in their glass or mug with a finger......soooooooooooo? :faint:

[pete156]

Thunder Ranch?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/pete156/Smiles%20and%20%20Animations/fart.gif

[7point82]

Buzz,
Was it just an oversight in your explanation or are you NOT using flash/bangs anymore when clearing the stall?

Don't let one bad experience with an unflushed commode alter your tactics. It could've happened to anybody and the smell is nearly impossible to detect anymore.

[Buzz70]

Hey Buzz, I understand blind persons measure the fullness of the beverage in their glass or mug with a finger......soooooooooooo? :faint:


That's just not right :shocked: however it may be true :puke:

[Buzz70]

Buzz,
Was it just an oversight in your explanation or are you NOT using flash/bangs anymore when clearing the stall?

Don't let one bad experience with an unflushed commode alter your tactics. It could've happened to anybody and the smell is nearly impossible to detect anymore.

I thought the flash/bangs were understood. :uberblast I presumed that everyone cleared bathroom stalls with them. So I apologize if some of you :rolleyes2: don't utilize that tactic.

Now I want everyone to know the entire process changes if I have to utilize a flashlight in my weak hand. It gets extremely complicated to explain on a forum and so difficult only a seasoned pro can pull it off. Maybe I'll set up some classes if anyone is interested.

[blufie]

Now I want everyone to know the entire process changes if I have to utilize a flashlight in my weak hand. It gets extremely complicated to explain on a forum and so difficult only a seasoned pro can pull it off. Maybe I'll set up some classes if anyone is interested.
Buzz,
Please! I'm begging... No classes... No pictures... nothing at all neccessary to further explain or post related to this. Just say no. :nolike:

[Buzz70]

Dang! I had pictures ready to go. I guess I'll refrain from posting. Everyone can thank Blufie.

[skyydiver]

Yes we can...THANK YOU BLUFIE!

[jarhead79]

I've seen this topic numerous times. I've paid attention when in the loo. Unless you're in the first stall, it's unlikely that anyone can see your gun, because the walls are too low to see from the adjacent stalls unless of course your gun is lying on the floor. When in the stalls, I cannot even see the neighbor's shoes, no less his waist band.

[Buzz70]

This guy didn't take my advise:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060803/D8J8LM680.html

Aug 2, 10:09 PM (ET)

BROOKFIELD, Wis. (AP) - Imagine using the restroom at your local bank and finding a loaded handgun on the back of the toilet. A Guaranty Bank employee discovered the gun Tuesday and called police, said Brookfield police Capt. Phil Horter.

A short time later, an employee of the Dunbar Armored security firm called the bank, realizing he had left the weapon when he made a stop at the bank. The gun was later returned.

Horter said certain security personnel can be licensed to carry a handgun in Wisconsin.

Police say they don't expect to cite the Dunbar employee for his forgetfulness.

Sean Gibbons, director of communications at Hunt Valley, Md.-based Dunbar International Inc., said the company was aware of the matter and that it had been appropriately addressed, but he declined to be more specific.

[pete156]

That is exactly why I'm so leary of taking off my weapon during bathroom breaks.

[brennan]

If you can't remember you gun after five minutes you have bigger problems.

[skyydiver]

Yippee, the poopie thread's back!

[DrBaker]

Yippee, the poopie thread's back!

Not this crap again. :lookaroun

[Buzz70]

Not this crap again. :lookaroun

Pun or no pun intended???

[DrBaker]

Pun or no pun intended???


A "play on words" was intended.

It was that or "No Sh!t".

[pete156]

If you can't remember you gun after five minutes you have bigger problems.


Yeah, lack of short term memory.

[NikatKimber]

lol... i have had to do this a couple times in the last week...

[TSQUARE]

I usually hang my gun on the coat hook on the door. DISCLAIMER:::::always maje sure you hang it on the right side of the trigger guard. T hat way it is out of the way, wont fall in tolet, and you will see it hanging there before you walk out.

[mikeyinokc]

http://www.koco.com/news/9810337/detail.html

Another poopie scenario! Link above.

:bigeye:

[NikatKimber]

damn... just the publicity we CCW'ers needed!

[IDtheTarget]

If I am wearing a jacket, I put in one of the pockets. My friend will ride in the inside Pocket pretty good. Another thing I try to watch. Is to keep my pants from riding down to low. So the guy next door won't see my holster and stuff. Good ? Regards


One of the bad things about a pistol without a safety (Glock 19) is that I *really* don't like putting it anywhere without a holster. I'd rather set it on the toilet lid than in my pocket without a holster. :)

[skyydiver]

And don't miss your pocket...you could break your freakin' foot or something.

Sorry NG! :)