house bill 2075

[Randall]

I just sent my representative an email asking him to vote for it. It gives valid concealed carry license holding principals and superintendants the ability to carry at school. I also told him I would like to see teachers able to carry also. If any of you have kids or grandchildren in school here is a chance to get some protection for them instead of letting schools be a shooting gallery for the scum who would prey on our defenseless children.
Randall

[Glockender]

Personally, I think it is a good idea. Question is...how many principals, superintendants, teachers, and other faculty would go take the course if they haven't already or how many would want to actually carry around the kids?

[GMThunder]

Personally, I think it is a good idea. Question is...how many principals, superintendants, teachers, and other faculty would go take the course if they haven't already or how many would want to actually carry around the kids?

Not many..... too much liability.

[skyydiver]

And too many OEA and NEA members. I swear the teachers unions force socialism on the poor impressionable educators.

[Randall]

My mother is a retired teacher in Oregon. She has a gun in the car or within reach of her almost constantly. She was also raised on a farm in Ok. and has been around guns since she was a kid. I dont know if she would have a gun around her students if she would risk losing her benefits. I still think the bill would be a good one.
Randall

[skyydiver]

Awesome. I agree that it's a good bill. Even the local media is selling it as "fringe" when they talk about it.

[Buzzdraw]

I've run a few (very few) principals and other administrator level school officials thru my OK SDA classes over the years. They might have toted at school, given the opportunity. I suspect the liability issues presented will persuade school boards to disallow their employees the change to carry with their blessings. It will take a powerful sell job to convince the boards that arming will keep them from the disasters like Ft. Gibson, Jonesboro, and Colorado.

[Randall]

I know there is not anything to keep a nut from going off the deep end and shooting up a school, as a parent I want to keep my kids safe and having their teachers armed is almost as good as them being home with me and protecting them.
Randall

[GMThunder]

My mother is a retired teacher in Oregon. She has a gun in the car or within reach of her almost constantly. She was also raised on a farm in Ok. and has been around guns since she was a kid. I dont know if she would have a gun around her students if she would risk losing her benefits. I still think the bill would be a good one.
Randall

My father has been in Tulsa Public Schools for over 30yrs and he hires all of the H.S. principals within the TPS system..... you name it and it's been pulled on him one time or another. I asked him what he thought of this bill and he thinks there is no way it will pass.

[Subsonic]

Did anybody see the news piece that Fox 23 did on this bill last night? It was pretty annoying because Diane White kept on referring to it as "packing heat" instead of just saying that the Principals would be given the option to carry a concealed weapon if the school's board approved.

[liliysdad]

The bill is hollow. While it is a wonderful idea, the bill places the responsibility with the school boards. The board must approve the request of the school official to carry on the grounds. I dot see a lot fo boards doing that for fear of retaliation, either through litigation, or reelection.

In my opinion, the bill should allow school supervisors to carry on school grounds WITHOUT a permit, much as business owners are. Just my opinion.

[GMThunder]

The bill is hollow. While it is a wonderful idea, the bill places the responsibility with the school boards. The board must approve the request of the school official to carry on the grounds. I dot see a lot fo boards doing that for fear of retaliation, either through litigation, or reelection.

In my opinion, the bill should allow school supervisors to carry on school grounds WITHOUT a permit, much as business owners are. Just my opinion.

+1

[Randall]

liliysdad I like your thinking.
Randall

[Eagle]

Have not read this bill, but I would feel MUCH better if it had a provision that would require them to go through a training course such as the ones Mr. Marshall Luton provides and a yearly training program. Gee, there are some "educators" that I feel unease around if they are near a staple remover.:wink2:

Just having a CCW does not seem enough. With tactical training they may be able to use these skills to disarm a situation without the use of their firearm. And if they do have to draw there weapon, I would want them to be on target. The best use of a firearm is to have the skills not to have to fire it, but if you must, be able to hit what you need to and only what you need to.

Flame away it is chill in here.:wink2:

[liliysdad]

I disagree with the tactical training. The last thing needed is a gung-ho uber ninja principal running aound the interior of a school, trying to find an active shooter.

My reasoning for wanting this type of legislation is for a last chance type scenario. The use of a handgun is for defense, not offense, and the principals first responsibility is to ensure the evacuation fo the school, if possible. If the gunman comes to him, then so be it.

My biggest fear with legisplation of this type is insurance. I dont think any major insurance compnay will underwrite a school if the administration is armed, given today's sociopolitical environment. However, if the legislation introduced did not require approval by the board, and no licensing and registration issue, and carried an umbrella waiver against lawsuits by parents or staff against the school, i.e, the insurance, it would be much better.

[GMThunder]

My biggest fear with legisplation of this type is insurance. I dont think any major insurance compnay will underwrite a school if the administration is armed, given today's sociopolitical environment.

Ding ding ding..... which is why this will never happen. First time a principal were to defend himself or others the family would sue.

[soonerguy9782]

I've run a few (very few) principals and other administrator level school officials thru my OK SDA classes over the years. They might have toted at school, given the opportunity. I suspect the liability issues presented will persuade school boards to disallow their employees the change to carry with their blessings. It will take a powerful sell job to convince the boards that arming will keep them from the disasters like Ft. Gibson, Jonesboro, and Colorado.


I was a junior at Fort Gibson when that happened. I knew the little kid. We even went to church together...he was alway quiet and nice up until then.

edit: and now I realize this thread is old...sorry for bumping it.. :)