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J.P.
01-17-2006, 07:00 PM
From National review online
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January 17, 2006, 9:26 a.m.
Unholy Land Grab
In the spirit of Kelo.

By Heather Wilhelm
For seven years, Reverend Roosevelt Gildon has preached the gospel at the Centennial Baptist Church in Sand Springs, Oklahoma. His congregation, around 50 strong, is like a small family. The elderly members, and those without cars, often walk to Sunday services.
“Rosey,” as his friends call him, figured he’d go on preaching in the tidy steel structure for years to come. That was, until the government told him they were taking his church away.
Since the Supreme Court's controversial Kelo decision last summer, eminent domain has entered a new frontier. It’s not just grandma’s house we have to worry about. Now it’s God’s house, too. “I guess saving souls isn’t as important,” says Reverend Gildon, his voice wry, “as raking in money for politicians to spend.” The town of Sand Springs, Oklahoma, has plans to take Centennial Baptist — along with two other churches, several businesses, dozens of small homes, and a school — and replace them with a new “super center,” rumored to include a Home Depot. It’s the kind of stuff that makes tax collectors salivate. It’s also the kind of project that brakes for no one, especially post-Kelo. “I had no idea this could happen in America,” says Reverend Gildon, after spending Monday morning marching in the Sand Springs Martin Luther King Day parade.
This unholy takeover goes back to Sand Springs’s controversial “Vision 2025” project, which emerged in 2003. The plan includes, according to its website, the “largest set of public redevelopment projects in the history of Tulsa County.” The money earmarked for Sand Springs was supposedly meant to focus on redeveloping an abandoned industrial area for big box retailers and other stores. One problem: Centennial Baptist Church isn’t abandoned, and unlike some of the other buildings in its neighborhood, it is in pristine condition. More importantly, the church doesn’t want to sell — and they have good reasons. “After I heard the news, we started looking to see if we could move,” Gildon said. “I just don’t think we can afford it. It’s too expensive. And if we can’t move, and they take our building, what happens to the church? If we leave, who is going to minister to the black community in Sand Springs?”
Reverend Gildon is a practical man. He’s not a firebrand, and he’s not looking for a fight. He just loves God and loves his church, and wants to continue serving his community. Unfortunately, local officials would rather have an extra parking lot for a new Bed Bath & Beyond.
It makes sense on one level. Churches don’t generate any tax revenue for the government to spend. They don’t “stimulate” the economy. They often, much to their peril, occupy prime, envied real estate. With the supercharged powers granted by Kelo, be very, very afraid.
What’s most egregious about this application of eminent domain is that there’s already plenty of room for development, even if the pesky church sticks around. Many community residents were happy to sell their property. Two other churches in the area decided to move to Tulsa. Other structures in the area were dilapidated and ready for the deal. The way things are now, Centennial Baptist Church could easily live side-by-side with new stores, houses, or businesses. Yet Centennial remains in the crosshairs — even though two nearby national chains, a taxpaying McDonald’s and a taxpaying O’Reilly’s muffler shop, have been left alone.
In December, Reverend Gildon joined up with Americans for Limited Government and our partner group, Oklahomans in Action, to gather signatures for the "Protect Our Homes" initiative, which will go on the ballot in November 2006. Protect our Homes is a measure designed to stop eminent-domain abuse. Right now, Americans for Limited Government is working with citizens in Michigan, Montana, Missouri, and several other states to do the same.
“I hope that my story makes people more aware,” said Reverend Gildon, “and that maybe it stops other people’s homes and churches from being taken against their will.” Meanwhile, he awaits his next meeting with the planning board, where they will tell him how much his church is worth. If things don’t change, it promises to be an offer he can’t refuse.

Subsonic
01-17-2006, 07:35 PM
Hopefully our elected officials will pass a law this next session to help limit these types of intrusions. Can't remember if it will be here or in another state, but they talked about changing the eminent domain law to where it would only allow a town/city/county to seize private property if it was going to be turned into something like a park and not a business.

blake711
01-18-2006, 07:26 AM
While I am deffinalty glad to hear they are wanting to put a home depot in Sand Springs. I don't like the government saying whats best for any of us. That is a prime location and thats why they want it. S.S. wants the tax revenue and churches are tax free so they will be prime targets for sure. I would suggest instead of the goverment taking the land. The company purcahse everything around the church tear it all down. Make the guy want to sell. There are ways to make people want to move without having the government flat out taking it from them. Let big bizness be the meanie. Don't have the goverment be big biznesses pawn. I don't think the goverment should be able to take anything for bizness or a park. Only infrastructure development that is nessacary. I.E. Highways, roads, sewer and the like.

bulbboy
01-18-2006, 09:48 AM
Shouldn't be allowed for things like this. Only for infrastructure - otherwise the government should stay out. Sad day for those business and churches.

mons meg
01-18-2006, 04:21 PM
Two word I remember from Civics class in school:

Initiative Petition.

Citizens in Oklahoma can force a state question onto the ballot with enough signatures....can't we?

swavy00
01-18-2006, 06:35 PM
I agree, infrastructure only. If Home Depot wants that spot, let them start buying, everything is for sale for a price.

Cowman
01-18-2006, 08:38 PM
This and the lotto. It may never rain again.

blake711
01-18-2006, 08:53 PM
This and the lotto. It may never rain again.

+1 well probably not atleast for another 6 years. :wink2:

savedbygrace
01-19-2006, 01:17 PM
This sounds alot like the original purpose of seperation of church and state, It is suppose to protect the church from goverment not the other way around.

walpur6isknight
02-11-2006, 09:55 AM
Well, welcome to America folks. Rights? Those don't exist anymore. Freedom? It's just some made up word. Ownership? You don't really think the government whats you to actually own anything, do you? I'm very sorry to say this, but I don't care, I'll say it. They wouldnt be taking anything from me, and giving 10% of what its actually worth. no way. I'd be fighting to the death for my home.

I guess it would be BEARABLE if they would actually pay FAIR MARKET VALUE for the land AND the structures that are ALREADY in place. Instead, they pay for just what the land itself would be worth, because they are going to destroy the buildings already in place.

burner
02-11-2006, 04:47 PM
Well, welcome to America folks. Rights? Those don't exist anymore. Freedom? It's just some made up word. Ownership? You don't really think the government whats you to actually own anything, do you? I'm very sorry to say this, but I don't care, I'll say it. They wouldnt be taking anything from me, and giving 10% of what its actually worth. no way. I'd be fighting to the death for my home.

I guess it would be BEARABLE if they would actually pay FAIR MARKET VALUE for the land AND the structures that are ALREADY in place. Instead, they pay for just what the land itself would be worth, because they are going to destroy the buildings already in place.

It would be BEARABLE if the government would stay the hell out of people's lives. :censored:

walpur6isknight
02-11-2006, 05:04 PM
It would be BEARABLE if the government would stay the hell out of people's lives. :censored:


an even better alternative.
even if i do retreat into the wilderness, there is no escape.....
:lookaroun

mons meg
02-15-2006, 06:57 AM
Actually, I just found this the other day on the OK House website and forgot to post it:

http://www.okhouse.gov/OkhouseMedia/pressroom.aspx?NewsID=305

Apparently our state Legislature isn't just sitting around?

jwinn
02-15-2006, 09:28 PM
There is another option. Vote the Jerks out and let them know that is what you will be doing until the election. start petion drives, get press time, let the community know what the city counsul is doing then vote them out!