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hankrearden2000
02-22-2006, 04:31 AM
Sued for not making an arrest!

Suit blames border agents in immigrant drownings

Web Posted: 02/16/2006 12:00 AM CST
John MacCormack
Express-News Staff Writer

DEL RIO — It began as a routine nocturnal encounter between the U.S. Border Patrol and a group of Mexicans illegally crossing the Rio Grande.

It ended with the deaths of three immigrants amid allegations of misconduct by the American agents.

A federal wrongful death lawsuit filed last year accuses the agents of contributing to the drownings of the two women and teenager early Sept. 24, 2004, near Eagle Pass.

"These agents threw rocks ... and used profanities in an effort to make them return to Mexico by swimming across the Rio Grande," reads the lawsuit, which claims the agents should have taken the group into custody.

The lawsuit also accuses the five agents of ignoring the cries for help of the Mexicans who did not know how to swim.

The lawsuit seeks $240 million and is set for trial next year here.

In depositions taken last month, the agents denied forcing the group to swim back to Mexico or throwing rocks at them. They also said they heard no cries for help. And they said the six immigrants were given the choice of surrendering or returning to Mexico.

In its answer to the lawsuit, the government blames the person who led the group.

If it goes to trial, the lawsuit promises to shed light on little-known Border Patrol procedures for dealing with undocumented immigrants found at the river at the international border.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Harold E. Brown, who is representing the government, declined to comment.

Stephen White, a San Antonio lawyer representing several plaintiffs, said a Border Patrol videotape made with an infrared camera captured part of the fatal encounter.

"The two women and the girl could not swim. When they were videotaped, they were drowning, not swimming," he said. "When the bodies were recovered, they were fully clothed, and with shoes on, and you don't swim across the river that way."

In their depositions, the agents who responded to the sighting of the six people entering the country shortly after 4 a.m. said the group was found wading in the river, beyond the reach of apprehension.

Some of the agents acknowledged using threatening language in telling the group to either go back to Mexico or surrender.

"I told them in the Spanish language, 'vamanos com,' 'come on, let's go,' or 'vayanse para atras,' go, go back to your country,'" testified agent William Compton, who, when pressed, admitted using stronger language.

Compton said he left the scene after the six began crossing back to the Mexican side. Only later did he learn that not all of them survived.

Agent Norberto Santos, who was manning the remote camera, said he alerted Mexican authorities when he saw signs of trouble in the river.

"I saw the people going back and almost to the Mexican side. I saw something was wrong. ... They weren't making it back," he said.

Santos and the other agents also explained the realities of riverside encounters.

"If a person's not in custody, if he's in the river, I can't force him to come out. I can't force him to go back. We're at a standoff. You're there until he goes back or until he comes out," he said.

Only in extreme circumstances will an agent go after someone in the water.

Accounts of two of the three surviving Mexicans differed.

Ismael Martinez Gomez and Gerardo Ojeda, both of Guanajuato, said the agents forced them back.

"We started to walk, and they began to throw rocks. ... That's when the women started panicking and reaching for our shirts. That is when we could no longer touch the bottom of the river," Ojeda said in a statement taken two weeks after the episode.



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blake711
02-22-2006, 07:17 AM
What a crock, these people are breaking the law. And they want to sue us for them dieing while commiting a crime. Pricless.

Hoov
02-22-2006, 09:39 AM
Two points here. One, if the Mexican police were there, they were encouraging the emigration to the U.S. either advertently or complictly by guarding them. Secondly, how did they drown in six inches of water? I have been to Eagle Pass. The water is not deep. By the way, Eagle Pass is where Mossberg's repair facility is.

YukonGlocker
02-22-2006, 09:44 AM
... how did they drown in six inches of water? I have been to Eagle Pass. The water is not deep.

They didn't comply when the officer said, stand up.

Hoov
02-22-2006, 09:49 AM
I know people died, but that is kinda funny.

YukonGlocker
02-22-2006, 09:51 AM
Thanks.

Eagle
02-22-2006, 10:03 AM
"The lawsuit also accuses the five agents of ignoring the cries for help of the Mexicans who did not know how to swim."

So, if they win, does it mean our Border Patrol will be giving swimming lessons??:faint:

Sorry that three people died, but crossing a river without being able to swim or wearing a life jacket is sort of like jumping out of a perfectly operating airplane without a 'chute. :lookaroun

Do not know what the answer to this problem is, but it seems to me it is as much a problem for Mexico as for us.

Michael Brown
02-22-2006, 10:03 AM
This is the kid of lawsuit that really chaps me.

First of all, illegal border crossing is not immigration. Its a crime! To try to call these people "immigrants" implies that they took the same lawful steps my family did to enter this country.

Second, its not our Border Patrol Agents' job to save those in the act of committing a crime at the risk of their own lives. Their job is to keep people from entering the country illegally.

I am of the opinion that we need to develop better means of allowing Mexican immigrants legal entry into this country for employment purposes.

I am also in favor of offering driver's license tests is Spanish for first time applicants.

I am very sympathetic to Mexican immigrants since I can expect that if I were in the position that most Mexican citizens are, with the prospect of earning $35 a month, I probably wouldn't really care what the U.S. government had to say about immigration either.

That said I believe if you break the law and use the border crossing area at Eagle Pass, you take your chances and your death is your own responsibility.

By even granting the option of turning back and not taking a Mordida from them our government is providing them greater rights than their own government does.

And we get sued for it! Unbelieveable.

Michael Brown

YukonGlocker
02-22-2006, 10:05 AM
How about English lessons?????????

YukonGlocker
02-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Ohh, I forgot. They don't need to speak English b/c everything around here is turning into Spanish. Sometimes I can't find what I need b/c I don't read Spanish??

Hoov
02-22-2006, 10:12 AM
MB, we are on the same page. I used emigration here because it was the physical act they were doing from Mexico. How the hell are we giving in state tuition to illegals? Or drivers' licenses? Or anything else to a criminal? Somewhere I have pictures of the unmanned blimps they use to use to watch the border. They are/were tethered to the ground because they were being shot down! I could go on a while. I will stop and count to 100 or something silly like that.

Hoov
02-22-2006, 10:14 AM
The child and the woman who died in Purcell this past week from Mexico? You guessed it, the bus driver could not speak English! I wonder what the odds are that he read it as well.

Eagle
02-22-2006, 10:22 AM
"I am very sympathetic to Mexican immigrants since I can expect that if I were in the position that most Mexican citizens are, with the prospect of earning $35 a month, I probably wouldn't really care what the U.S. government had to say about immigration either." (quote from Michael Brown's post) How some of them live...exist in Mexico is unbelieveable.

This is a great example as to why I think this is a Mexican problem as much as ours. I also agree with the entire post by Michael Brown. Well, stated!!!:thumb:

YukonGlocker
02-22-2006, 10:31 AM
If too many more companies build manufacturing facilities in Mexico, many Americans will have to immigrate to Mexico to find work....

blake711
02-22-2006, 10:39 AM
They didn't comply when the officer said, stand up.
Thats because they heard about that cop that shot the dude for standing up when he told them to about a month ago..http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10788476/ "Sorry that was to easy"

We have serious issues with illigal alliens. They are going to bankrupt our country. ANYONE that has a part in helping or employing illegals is helping to destroy our country. The cost of these illigals is INSANE from housing them in jails and prisions, to medical costs that are never paid. It hurts bad. Also 1/3 of the mexican population in Tulsa is supposed to be illigal alliens. How do you think that affects our police? They don't have the man power or resources to deal with illigals reguardless of what side of the law they are on. Thats a major problem. I will say I have zero issues with legal imigration but illigal alliens are going to be one of the factors that lead to the demise of our great country.

YukonGlocker
02-22-2006, 11:10 AM
Thats because they heard about that cop that shot the dude for standing up when he told them to about a month ago..http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10788476/ "Sorry that was to easy" ...

LOL!!:)

Hoov
02-22-2006, 09:07 PM
Blake711, illegal immigration is part of the equation as is our desire for cheap goods. Who wants to spend $30 on a pair of jeans when you can buy them for $12. We live in a Hell Mart world and it is our own fault. We all want to earn $48 an hour and wonder why GM closes plants.

blake711
02-22-2006, 09:22 PM
Blake711, illegal immigration is part of the equation as is our desire for cheap goods. Who wants to spend $30 on a pair of jeans when you can buy them for $12. We live in a Hell Mart world and it is our own fault. We all want to earn $48 an hour and wonder why GM closes plants.
Man don't even get me started. We got people on welfare that need to be working the jobs that the Mexicans are doing. If a man don't work a man don't eat is my view. I agree about the walmart mentality. You get what you pay for. That is why people bitch about shI#$y service from Bestbuy and palce well what do you expect. Hoov you are a dieing bread from what I can tell. Someone in retail sales that actually has a clue about what they are selling.. Personally to make me feel better you need to quit selling guns. Go to Lowes and start selling Dishwashers. That would make the world a better place.

mons meg
02-23-2006, 05:41 AM
We live in a Hell Mart world and it is our own fault.

Exactly. The "Wal Mart Effect" in a nutshell is the premise that Wal Mart goes overseas/south of the border for labor and supplies because we EXPECT them to have lower prices than anyone else on EVERYTHING. They adapt to our desires through a global marketplace. Cause and effect...

Hoov
02-23-2006, 08:17 AM
Blake711, you're right. I need to work at Best Buy because I need the employee discount to buy a new computer! Oh man, I almost nailed mine with coffee through the nose! That was too funny too early. Think about this; I almost went into banking. I actually have a degree in economics. Talk about dry as a cracker barrel fart. If you don't know what that is, ask your parents.