edgargarrett
07-12-2005, 12:28 AM
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134716
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DrBaker
07-12-2005, 05:50 AM
Child abuse. This guy deserves worse. He's lucky everybodys not coming to the party in his mouth.
8Cyl Firebird
07-12-2005, 11:43 PM
Man, I don't know what to think. He deserves to be punished, but he also deserves protection in prison. I dunno.
DrBaker
07-13-2005, 04:48 AM
I have a friend who grew up years ago in Pakistan. I've also talked to others who have grown up in some of the neighboring areas. They had similar stories about crime and punishments. You stole something and your were minus one hand. Steal a second time and you got two nubs. They said you could leave a suitcase on the curb and it would be there when you got back. (same today as everyone fears a bomb inside now).
I do my best not to break the law or cause harm to anyone and expect the same from others. An eye for an eye is sounding good to me.
I do my best not to break the law or cause harm to anyone and expect the same from others. An eye for an eye is sounding good to me.
J.P.
07-13-2005, 05:05 AM
I thought about registering over there but it would be too short-lived to bother.
walpur6isknight
08-27-2005, 08:10 PM
I thought about registering over there but it would be too short-lived to bother.
roflmao
i browsed the forum, mostly wives, mothers and girlfriends.
my brother got locked up for a drug charge. first time being in trouble, and he didnt have any drugs, just some form of parapheniala from my understanding. (sp?)
hes been locked up for a while now. and he will be locked up for a while. i know he will probably do more time than any sex offender that was incarcerated at roughly the same time.
:screwy:
these sex offenders deserve some really hard time.
but the non violent/drug offenders seem to get the longest sentences.
:screwy:
roflmao
i browsed the forum, mostly wives, mothers and girlfriends.
my brother got locked up for a drug charge. first time being in trouble, and he didnt have any drugs, just some form of parapheniala from my understanding. (sp?)
hes been locked up for a while now. and he will be locked up for a while. i know he will probably do more time than any sex offender that was incarcerated at roughly the same time.
:screwy:
these sex offenders deserve some really hard time.
but the non violent/drug offenders seem to get the longest sentences.
:screwy:
Michael Brown
08-27-2005, 08:43 PM
Actually that is not correct.
Drug offenders consistently receive minor sentences based on the state guidelines and the numerous programs offered to first time drug offenders. The only exception is Meth cooks. They are considered the top of the food chain in narcotics prosecution among methamphetimine cases.
I don't know what your brother was charged with, but paraphernalia is a misdemeanor so you can't be locked up for that long since the maximum penalty for any misdemeanor is 364 days in jail.
It sounds like you have not received accurate information unless you define a long time as a few months.
Michael Brown
Drug offenders consistently receive minor sentences based on the state guidelines and the numerous programs offered to first time drug offenders. The only exception is Meth cooks. They are considered the top of the food chain in narcotics prosecution among methamphetimine cases.
I don't know what your brother was charged with, but paraphernalia is a misdemeanor so you can't be locked up for that long since the maximum penalty for any misdemeanor is 364 days in jail.
It sounds like you have not received accurate information unless you define a long time as a few months.
Michael Brown
edgargarrett
08-28-2005, 02:19 AM
He could have been reading their drivel in one of the federal threads. Under federal sentencing guidelines drug dealers tend to get very long sentences. Longer in fact than many murderers & rapists in most state systems.
Michael Brown
08-28-2005, 04:58 PM
That's because most cases in state court are possession cases. The way far majority.
The federal guidelines are harsh because usually only the most extreme offenders are tried federally. When I worked in the street crimes unit at my agency, I saw very few cases go federal unless there was also a crime of violence that enhanced the nature of the drug case, the suspect was a repeat offender, or the suspect was a large quantity dealer.
You don't get prosecuted federally for having a couple joints in your coat.
Michael Brown
The federal guidelines are harsh because usually only the most extreme offenders are tried federally. When I worked in the street crimes unit at my agency, I saw very few cases go federal unless there was also a crime of violence that enhanced the nature of the drug case, the suspect was a repeat offender, or the suspect was a large quantity dealer.
You don't get prosecuted federally for having a couple joints in your coat.
Michael Brown
edgargarrett
08-29-2005, 12:42 PM
Depending on the context, you very well could get prosecuted federally for a couple of joints in your pocket.
Michael Brown
08-31-2005, 12:10 PM
Indeed you could.
With enough effort you could also empty the Arkansas River with a dixie cup.
But it probably won't happen either.
Michael Brown
With enough effort you could also empty the Arkansas River with a dixie cup.
But it probably won't happen either.
Michael Brown
edgargarrett
08-31-2005, 01:26 PM
I promise you that if you get caught on a federal reservation, or in a federal building, with a joint in your pocket--the Arkansas will empty.
Michael Brown
08-31-2005, 02:15 PM
Anytime the Marshals or security at the Federal Courthouse in Tulsa detain someone on the grounds of a misdemeanor (which is what a couple joints in your pocket is), they call the Tulsa Police to enforce the issue and it is prosecuted by the city or county.
The Arkansas appears to still be full. But in the most unusual of circumstances (in which case you are doomed by your own stupidity) it could happen.
But this still doesn't justify the original point of the argument that was in relation to the federal sentencing guidelines for drug offenders.
EG, I'm not sure what your experience level is in these matters, but I've participated in enough federal prosecutions to confidently state that these sentences are not handed down lightly to offenders who are simply habitual users. The feds are just not interested in users. They don't have time to handle the number of possession cases that get prosecuted in any particular jurisdiction.
Every federal prosecution I have participated in has involved trafficking or possession while carrying a firearm (and evidentary amounts of unaccounted for cash) which put together is almost always indicative of trafficking.
If you can name over a dozen cases where an individual was federally prosecuted in the Northeast District of Oklahoma that involved first time offenders with a couple of joints, then I will buy your point.
On the other hand, I can tell you that there are dozens of trafficking prosecutions going on today only in the federal system in this district alone.
Michael Brown
The Arkansas appears to still be full. But in the most unusual of circumstances (in which case you are doomed by your own stupidity) it could happen.
But this still doesn't justify the original point of the argument that was in relation to the federal sentencing guidelines for drug offenders.
EG, I'm not sure what your experience level is in these matters, but I've participated in enough federal prosecutions to confidently state that these sentences are not handed down lightly to offenders who are simply habitual users. The feds are just not interested in users. They don't have time to handle the number of possession cases that get prosecuted in any particular jurisdiction.
Every federal prosecution I have participated in has involved trafficking or possession while carrying a firearm (and evidentary amounts of unaccounted for cash) which put together is almost always indicative of trafficking.
If you can name over a dozen cases where an individual was federally prosecuted in the Northeast District of Oklahoma that involved first time offenders with a couple of joints, then I will buy your point.
On the other hand, I can tell you that there are dozens of trafficking prosecutions going on today only in the federal system in this district alone.
Michael Brown
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