New Tulsa Mayor and Gun Control

[ok_patriot]

I just seen a thread on Ktul.com that says KAthy Taylor is in New York at a conference held by Bloomberg to curb illegal guns. What do you want to bet she comes back and with a very anti-gun agenda towards lawful gun owners and CCW. This doesn't affect me other than I do some business in Tulsa, but I don't live there. I wonder if she has her eye's set on the Govenors Mansion?

[Jerms]

pfft... all politicians dream of being president..

[bulbboy]

Lets put it this way - she is great friends with Susan Savage and BRAD HENRY! She won't be in Tulsa very long - she has only been here a couple of years anyway!

[Hoov]

Would someone please tell me what makes Brad Henry so great? I think he is a putz, personally. He never says anything, yet he is extremely popular.

[Subsonic]

Would someone please tell me what makes Brad Henry so great? I think he is a putz, personally. He never says anything, yet he is extremely popular.

I don't know why either. The only thing that he has done for the state is gambling and teacher's pay increases. Of course the teachers are still whinning and now suing even after both of those things passed. Morons.

[Hoov]

Maybe we should have tied their pay raises to the take on the lottery. Remember how well it worked for Remington Park!

[ok_patriot]

Brad Henry is popular, probably because he doesn't say anything. I didn't vote for him. I will not vote for KAthy Taylor. I think she will be bad news for Tulsa.

[spamby]

I don't live in Tulsa, but I do live Broken Arrow, so I didn't get a chance to vote for someone else. Because I wouldn't of voted for her last time, and I won't vote for her for governor. You know with all the gun violence in Tulsa, she's going to try something dumb with reference to law abiding citizens.(gun owners) It's never the criminals fault.

[Flanker]

What makes you think Tulsa's Mayor Cathy Taylor will return form the NY meeting and become anti-legal gun ownership for CCWs? From what I read it's the meeting is about the many (illegal guns) on the streets that they want to get stopped. Myself I am not for any non-american or felon having a gun on them anywhere at anytime.

[Subsonic]

What are they actually calling "illegal guns"? Maybe illegal guns are ones that are stolen from law abiding citizens and they would like to cut them off at the source before they become illegal guns. That would be my guess as the only "illegal guns" I have seen during the course of my LEO experience are a couple of NFA violations such as non-registered Short Barreled Shotguns or Short Barreled Rifles.

[spamby]

Don't most politicians think all guns are illegal? Most of the time they would rather ban all guns. Espcially when it comes to crime and guns.

[NikatKimber]

ok, the one thing i still just can't reason with, is the idea that making a "law" will stop the criminal??????? HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! isn't that what makes a criminal what he is??? breaking the law??? Will someone help me with this?? I just don't get it?!?! :confused:

[mons meg]

Well, it's not like the Mayor of ANY town in Oklahoma trumps the state preemption, so if it's a typical "get guns off the streets" kind of approach it's just more politicking. It's not like she can get a city AWB ordinance passed.

[Eagle]

:faint:

[ok_patriot]

If the Mayor of New York is hosting a conferece on Illegal guns, then it is the law abiding that he has in his sights. When some police officers got killed in NYC, it was the fault of legal gun owners in neighboring states.

I am not for felons and illegal aliens having firearms, but we legal owners are always the ones who have to pay the price.

[tacmedic]

I had the mispleasure of having to contend with some of Kathy Taylor's camp after their election celebration party. ULTRA LIBERALS!!! I am talking anti-gun, NAMBLA card carrying pukes. :puke: She only returned to Tulsa to get her liberal political career going. I think TPD made a huge mistake in backing her.

[green country shooter]

"He never says anything, yet he is extremely popular."

I agree with OK Patriot. That's why he's popular. That's what we like in our politicians in Oklahoma - likable ordinary guys and girls who do nothing. If you doubt it, name one important bill sponsored or passed by David Boren or George Nigh, either of whom could be elected to any office in this state. Or name one important stand either ever took on any issue. Our state Constitution makes the governor weak, and only a very strong personality can use the office to accomplish much.

[Eagle]

To most of the posts on this thread........:faint:

[pete156]

Well, I heard this morning that the governor is either going to or has already signed some piece of legislation that will keep citizens firearms (or at least make it more difficult) from being taken from them in the event of emergency or disaster.

I heard the story on 1170 this morning, but forgot what exactly it was that he had signed. Unfortunately, there's no mention of the story on 1170's website.

[Subsonic]

There is a short story on Channel 8's website www.ktul.com

[Subsonic]

I had the mispleasure of having to contend with some of Kathy Taylor's camp after their election celebration party. ULTRA LIBERALS!!! I am talking anti-gun, NAMBLA card carrying pukes. :puke: She only returned to Tulsa to get her liberal political career going. I think TPD made a huge mistake in backing her.

ultra liberals suck!:nutkick:

[bulbboy]

+1

[Flanker]

Compaired to New York and California IMHO Oklahoma is pretty firearm friendly.:thumb:

[Jack T.]

Compaired to New York and California IMHO Oklahoma is pretty firearm friendly.:thumb:

Perhaps, but compared to England and the rest of Eurpoe New York and California are pretty firearm friendly also. . .

I'd rather see what else can be done to make us more friendly, rather than say "well, it could be worse". :)

[NikatKimber]

Amen Bro!!! What about making it right? rather than "better than nothing" I know, I know, it ain't politically correct... then again, I can't think of anything about the way i think that IS politically correct. :screwy:

[Subsonic]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/27/AR2006042701686.html

A New Gun Argument
Mayors Turn the Political Issue to Saving Lives

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, April 28, 2006; Page A19

NEW YORK -- Have you noticed that Washington politicians have given up on thinking about new solutions to gun violence? New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has noticed, and he's angry. Good for him.

Bloomberg is a Republican, if hardly a partisan sort, and it may take a Republican to restart a debate that many Democrats have fled after a careful examination of the electoral map -- and years of exhaustion from demagoguery on the issue.

Teaming up with Boston's Democratic mayor, Thomas Menino, Bloomberg brought 13 other big-city mayors together here on Tuesday to call for "national leadership in the war on gun violence."

"If the leadership won't come from Congress or come from the White House, then it has to come from us," said Bloomberg.

The mayors, Menino said, do not want to meddle with the rights of hunters. They are concerned about the trafficking of illegal guns and the powerlessness of individual cities to enforce their own weapons laws because of loopholes in federal rules and because criminals can easily obtain weapons in jurisdictions with looser regulations.

Our dysfunctional political system has become especially dysfunctional on gun violence.

The National Rifle Association regularly says that we don't need new laws and should simply enforce the regulations on the books. But if many of the existing laws are unenforceable, that statement is meaningless.

Opponents of even modest gun regulation win the upper hand rhetorically by invoking two words: freedom and elitism. None of us is really free, the argument goes, unless all of us have essentially unfettered access to weapons, and any new gun laws are seen as leading down a slippery slope to a total ban on gun ownership. Supporters of gun regulations are always cast as metropolitan highbrows lacking in respect for the way of life of law-abiding country folks.

At a structural level, Congress has a deep bias in favor of the rural point of view because the Senate is stacked in favor of rural states. Idaho, Wyoming and Montana have two senators each, and so do California, New York and Illinois.

According to the latest Census Bureau estimates, the six senators from those three rural states represent 2,874,060 people. The six from the three states that include big urban and suburban populations represent 68,150,148 people. By these figures, you might calculate the rough odds against gun regulations at 24 to 1.

Changing the political argument is easier than changing the Senate. Mayors -- joined soon, Menino hopes, by suburban county executives -- are the right people to start the work.

Yes, there is a cultural difference between big cities and rural areas, but it's a difference in how guns are used. Rural people treasure their guns mostly for hunting and recreation, and as collectors. In inner cities, guns -- especially handguns -- are used almost entirely to threaten or kill other human beings.

"There are neighborhoods where if you say 'duck,' people get out of the way because they're worried they'll be shot," Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in an interview. "But there are other parts of the country where if you say 'duck,' people will grab their rifles to go duck hunting."

We desperately need a new politics of gun regulation in which law-abiding gun owners see the fight for tougher laws not as a form of disrespect for their culture but as an acknowledgment that if our gun rules are an unenforceable hodgepodge, illegal guns will inevitably get into the hands of kids and criminals in the cities and suburbs.

"I'm fighting for freedom, too," said Barrett. "I'm fighting for the freedom of a grandma to sit on her front porch and not get hit when there's a drive-by shooting. I'm fighting for the freedom of kids to play in the park without being caught in a crossfire."

The mayors have to act for another reason: Democrats have lost their nerve on the gun issue. Barrett traces this to the passage of the assault weapons ban in 1994. (Congress let it expire in September 2004.) Many Democrats who supported the ban were defeated in that fall's election.

"So Democrats who might be inclined to do something are now inclined to stay away from the issue," said Barrett, a Democratic member of Congress at the time. "And most Republicans aren't inclined to do anything at all."

Railing against this state of affairs is useless. Better that a savvy group of mayors takes the lead in the difficult struggle to change the underlying politics by reminding Americans that this issue is about saving the lives of innocent kids -- and of grandmas in their rocking chairs.

[mons meg]

Somebody point out to me where we find the word "hunting" or "Sport" in the Bill of Rights.

[NikatKimber]

hmm... still looking. I refuse to rant on such an article. This really fired me up when I first read it. Like i've said before, I just don't get it.

[Eagle]

"grab their rifles to go duck hunting" :faint:

[spamby]

When the politicians want to enforce the guns laws they are looking at law abiding citizens, because criminals don't bother to pay attention.:nutkick:

[ok_patriot]

LEave it to big city mayors like bloomberg to want to control the rural areas of the rest of the USA. I am still wondering if we can trade Illinois, California, New york, and New Jersey back to the Indians, for a handfull of ammo!

[tacmedic]

There is only one reason why you create laws to disarm the law abbiding public and it ain't crime control. Don't know what it is...ask Hitler, Stalin, Sadaam Hussein, any member of the Kahmer Rouge, Shining Path, or Serbian Militia. Don't believe the U.S. government would ever do it?!? Read about the disarmament of the American Indian in the 1800's or the Flilipino Constabulatory.

Buy all the guns and ammo you can, vote, stay informed, and don't be foolish enough to think someone else is working to protect your rights. The only thing evil needs to win is for good men to do nothing!

[NikatKimber]

I like that idea there ok_patriot.
AMEN Spamby and Tacmedic!!! Maybe I'm not the only (anti?) politically correct guy left in the world... lol
I will now proceed to shut up.

[okfireman]

Us indians don't want them back.... New York , New Jersey, Illinois & the Peoples Rupublic of California should all be sold back to the French they already act more like them than they do Americans. Then we get a part of the profit to buy more guns and ammo.

[okfireman]

These people are morons. How about they fight for funding for police departments and fight for more common sense in our judicial system and how about better management of our prisons......NO CABLE TV, NO AIR CONDITIONG, AND ACTUALLY MAKE PRISONERS WORK FOR THEIR ROOM AND BOARD AND RESTITUTION. If they brought back some hard labor I don't think scumbags would be as apt to do the crimes.

[GMThunder]

The Sky Is Falling!!!!!!!!!!!!

[USDefender]

The sky IS falling when a Tulsa Mayor goes to NY to find out how to fix a problem regarding violence.

[ok_patriot]

okfireman- We could use a man like yourself to oversee a program that takes the profits and converts them to ammo and firearms, and distributes it to the Freedom loving Citizens of The USA!

[okfireman]

I can do it i'm in sales already. I could broker a deal to the french and we could clean up. Hmmm I wonder if the Austrians would have any interest? We could trade Gaston a few commie states for a couple thousand Glocks espicially some of those non- u.s. .380's.