What is your best concealed carry holster?

[J.P.]

As someone who has experience with virtually all of the Milt Sparks IWB holsters,can you compare and contrast the Versa Max II to the SSII ?

I'm particularly interested in the pro/con of the stability,ease of concealment,comfort,and draw efficiency.

I like the VM2 but I'm just looking for more options.
(for Glock of course)

thanks.
J.P.

[GMThunder]

I would also like to know of some other options out there. What is the SSII?

[J.P.]

SSII = Summer special 2

[bulbboy]

Good question. All I know is the VM2. The others look good but performance?

[Michael Brown]

I'm not sure exactly what it is about the Summer Special 2 but when someone gets one, they never go back to anything else.

I have the more expensive Executive Companion, which is the forerunner of the VM, and I much prefer the SS2 in terms of comfort but most importantly accessibility. I think the SS2 is as accessible as a kydex IWB but far more comfortable. The best draw of any IWB, IMO.

In terms of concealment, I think its six one way, half dozen another. I've worn the SS2 for over 20 hours at a time and never had a problem with comfort or concealibility with a cool max shirt under and a t-shirt over it.

Another big advantage of the SS2 is that they're inexpensive enough to buy two and have one to train in. They're also at your doorstep in 4-5 days since Brownell's and a few other dealers stock them for 9/40/357 Glocks and 1911's.

The disadvantage to the SS2 is it is not stitched as well as the EX or VM. thus it collapses easier under pressure. For carry, its no problem but when you get to rolling around on the ground, its less durable than the others.

Others say the VM is more stable and I would guess it is, but stability has never been a problem for me with the SS2. I think any additional stability is probably wasted.

In terms of retention, I'd say they're about the same because IWB only allows one point of contact in a fight over the holstered handgun.

J.P. I've got a couple SS2's so if you want to try one for a couple days, just give me a call or a pm.

Michael Brown

[bulbboy]

How hard is it to reholster? I have to go into government buildings occasionally and that sort of thing - take my gun out in the car,etc.

[Michael Brown]

Its as easy as the VM2 or any other quality IWB. It still has a reinforced mouthband like the other Sparks holsters.

Its not AS durable as the VM2 or EX but its plenty durable.

Michael Brown

[J.P.]

For carry, its no problem but when you get to rolling around on the ground, its less durable than the others.


Can't you ever just *stand* there and shoot like a 'normal' person?
;)

[Michael Brown]

Can't you ever just *stand* there and shoot like a 'normal' person?
;)

I try, but every once in a while when I'm tasting some cocaine off my knife to check its quality and telling some drug dealers that I want to buy $100,000 worth of cocaine for $100, they get pissed when I tell them they're under arrest and a guy pulls a shotgun out from the middle of some Christmas trees, tries to shoot me, and forces me to roll several times while shooting all of them.

Its times like that that the stitching of the SS2 shows its weakness.
:wink2:

Michael Brown

[J.P.]

You shouldn't be such a low-baller,...uh....baller!
:)

[J.P.]

I'm going to give mike's SSII a try,and I'll report back here with the results.

[Pigeon]

In terms of retention, I'd say they're about the same because IWB only allows one point of contact in a fight over the holstered handgun.


Michael Brown

Would you expound on this?

Edit: Sorry for the hijack.

[Michael Brown]

When the muzzle is inside the pants, only the end of the holster exposing the grip can be grabbed. This substantially reduces the liklihood of a disarm in a struggle on the ground.

With an OWB the suspect can hold the muzzle end and the grip end which is much harder to defend against.

Michael Brown

[RAZZY]

This is my first post.So here is my two cents. I wear the Milt Sparts SS2 daily, have one to train with (G17) and one to wear (G19). Its the most comfortable and overall best carry holster I own. I could not tell you how many holsters I own but they fill a footlocker.Have had a CCW for 14 years so I have alot of carry time. What every Mike Brown says you can take it to the bank.Everything he has advised me on is right on the money. If you have not trained with Mike Brown you are missing out on a great learning adventure. Gary B Rasmussen (Mike suggested the SS2 to me.)

[Pigeon]

When the muzzle is inside the pants, only the end of the holster exposing the grip can be grabbed. This substantially reduces the liklihood of a disarm in a struggle on the ground.

With an OWB the suspect can hold the muzzle end and the grip end which is much harder to defend against.

Michael Brown

Thanks. That makes it clear.

[CimarronOK]

I'm curious what you "experienced" guys are wearing for carrying your gun concealed. If you have pics I'd like to see what they look like... I'm still thinking since I don't have my "card" yet.

Tom Owens
9:47 am
Wednesday, May 31, 2006

[bulbboy]

I have 3 IWB (inside the waistband) that I like and 1 OWB (outside) that I like. I have a couple more OWB on order that might be good.
Best overall IWB is Milt Sparks VM2 - it has a "tuckable option available also www.miltsparks.com
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/VersaMax2.jpg
This one is from Donner Gun Leather. A really nice holster - a little less stiff than the VM2 - very well made - curves nice with your body
www.donnergunleather.com
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/OSU.jpg
The least expensive - but the most bang for the buck would be the Chochise Defender from K & D Holsters. www.kdholsters.com
Very comfortable - clips on easy but the clips stay put when you pull your gun. Kevin is great to work with and will do custom work for you as well.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/IWB.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/cochise-01-bg-s.jpg
My favorite Outside the waistband is hands down from K & D Holsters. Snaps on and off - fits firmly to the body and is an excellent bargain.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/SIGSASKDHOLSTER.jpg
K & D also makes a belt version that is great - I just find the snaps easier.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/GLOCKBELTDEFENDER.jpg

Hope that helps some

[RobC]

Currently I carry my 1911 in a Milt Sparks VMII in horsehide...I have been waiting for six months for my Matt Delfatti ISP-LP...might be another six months too. The VMII will be retired upon the arrival of the Delfatti.

Rob

[Glock 'em down]

I have 2 Blackhawk CQC holsters - one for on duty and one for off duty. If you don't know about this remarkable technology in holsters, it is a carbon fiber high ride OWB holster that comes with a belt loop (that fits up to 2 1/4 inch duty belts) and a paddle that install by means of three bolts on the back - you decide how you want to carry it. I use the belt loop on both (I've never really liked paddles holsters) The reason why I use the same kind of holster both on and off duty is because of the "Serpa" retention system...it's a little button that you depress with your index finger while it is along the side of the holster body where it naturally is when you draw anyway. I also carry an extra mag and a SureFire G2 on my weak side in a Blackhawk CQC mag/light combo pouch...this setup is identical on and off duty thanks to the way the light and mag pouch is made...the pouches can independently be detatched from the duty belt and re-attached to another belt loop or paddle that is not on the duty belt for off duty/concealment use...great idea! If you haven't ever used this stuff, you really should give it a try...I am totaly pleased with it. On duty it's all mounted on a Bianchi Accumold duty belt (along with a cuff pouch) and off duty it's on an Uncle Mike's Instructor belt...awesome belt! If you want a superior belt to hold up all of you crap - this is the one to use! It's not flimsy or spongey like a lot of instructor belts out there and it doesn't sag like leather...aw holy hell...I did it then...I guess another debate is gonna start...Leather vs Nylon...wait, wait, wait...lemme guess...the 1911 guys are gonna say leather and the Glock guys are gonna say nylon! Here we go!!! But anyway...that's my rig.

[bulbboy]

Nothing beats leather!!

[bulbboy]

Currently I carry my 1911 in a Milt Sparks VMII in horsehide...I have been waiting for six months for my Matt Delfatti ISP-LP...might be another six months too. The VMII will be retired upon the arrival of the Delfatti.

Rob

Would love to have a Delfatti - I had the patience for the 15 1/2 weeks wait on the VM2 but don't think I can stomach the 16 month (last figures I heard) wait on the Delfatti. Worth the wait from what I'm told!

[Glock 'em down]

AAAWWW!!! COME ON NOW!!! Bulbboy!!! You're supposed to be on my side, man!? Leather? It's dead animal flesh that isn't done decaying! My kydex, nylon and carbon fiber stuff will still be going strong by the time your soft, supple leather will be dry rotted and done!

[J.P.]

I've been using the Milt sparks VM2 for my main weapon and i have found nothing that tops it yet....although i do try others from time to time and the ARG style holsters are looking more attractive to me.

[bulbboy]

soft, supple leather


hold on - give me some time alone... soft, supple leather mmmmmm

soft

supple mm


okay - I'm back now. What were we talking about?

[Glock 'em down]

Those damned things just hurt like hell! I've never been a fan of IWB holsters. You always gotta have some kind of "cover" garment. In the winter you're ok...but what do you do in the summer time here in OKLA when it gets to be like 157 degrees in the shade? You gonna wear a tactical/photographers vest? Holy smokes! People are gonna think you nuts or it's gonna shout out "GUN" (which also makes your average joe think your nuts too, by the way) I dunno...when I pack in the heat of the summer, I sometimes use a fanny pack. I know, I know...it looks gay, but you do what you gotta do. Cargo shorts are a godsend too! Glock 27 in right pocket, extra mag and SureFire G2 in left pocket...good to go!

[J.P.]

I have 2 Blackhawk CQC holsters - one for on duty and one for off duty. If you don't know about this remarkable technology in holsters, it is a carbon fiber high ride OWB holster that comes with a belt loop (that fits up to 2 1/4 inch duty belts) and a paddle that install by means of three bolts on the back - you decide how you want to carry it. I use the belt loop on both (I've never really liked paddles holsters) The reason why I use the same kind of holster both on and off duty is because of the "Serpa" retention system...it's a little button that you depress with your index finger while it is along the side of the holster body where it naturally is when you draw anyway. I also carry an extra mag and a SureFire G2 on my weak side in a Blackhawk CQC mag/light combo pouch...this setup is identical on and off duty thanks to the way the light and mag pouch is made...the pouches can independently be detatched from the duty belt and re-attached to another belt loop or paddle that is not on the duty belt for off duty/concealment use...great idea! If you haven't ever used this stuff, you really should give it a try...I am totaly pleased with it. On duty it's all mounted on a Bianchi Accumold duty belt (along with a cuff pouch) and off duty it's on an Uncle Mike's Instructor belt...awesome belt! If you want a superior belt to hold up all of you crap - this is the one to use! It's not flimsy or spongey like a lot of instructor belts out there and it doesn't sag like leather...aw holy hell...I did it then...I guess another debate is gonna start...Leather vs Nylon...wait, wait, wait...lemme guess...the 1911 guys are gonna say leather and the Glock guys are gonna say nylon! Here we go!!! But anyway...that's my rig.

OWB Kydex huh?
Anyone want to take this one?
:anyone:

[RobC]

Quality leather and a 1911 have character beyond just being tools. I have some plastic holsters for some other guns but I don't like any of them as much. 1911s and leather may seem antiquated but I see them as classic. They are warm and familiar versus something as sterile and cold as a glock in kydex. In reality both work really well but I prefer the class of leather and a design that is almost 100 years old and still running like a top.


Rob

[RobC]

By the way, I bought the VMII because I knew that the wait would be long. I use it as an interim. I will order another Delfatti when this one gets closer to delivery...and one for BHP as well....mmmmmmmmm, another great!!

Rob

[bulbboy]

OWB Kydex huh?
Anyone want to take this one?
:anyone:


even I'm going to leave it alone....

[bulbboy]

Quality leather ... have character... I prefer the class of leather


Rob


+ 1 :thumb:

[J.P.]

In reality both work really well but I prefer the class and security of leather.
Rob

fixed it again.

[J.P.]

Those damned things just hurt like hell! I've never been a fan of IWB holsters. You always gotta have some kind of "cover" garment. In the winter you're ok...but what do you do in the summer time here in OKLA when it gets to be like 157 degrees in the shade? You gonna wear a tactical/photographers vest? Holy smokes! People are gonna think you nuts or it's gonna shout out "GUN" (which also makes your average joe think your nuts too, by the way) I dunno...when I pack in the heat of the summer, I sometimes use a fanny pack. I know, I know...it looks gay, but you do what you gotta do. Cargo shorts are a godsend too! Glock 27 in right pocket, extra mag and SureFire G2 in left pocket...good to go!

A simple buttonup or T-shirt covers up IWB holsters.
Most of us never have a problem
Try that with a Kydex OWB.

[OStateFlyer]

The right IWB holster and you can't tell the gun is there. I carry in the cheapest of nylon holsters...I mean really trashy. But it conceals well and is comfortable. I want to know how some of you guys carry in pockets, like cargo shorts? It looks and feels like I have a load in my pants when I've tried it.

Brad

[Glock 'em down]

Ok J.P. it doesn't look like anyone is gonna "touch" it so in your "professional" opinion, you tell me what's wrong with OWB kydex. Since I carry a gun "for a living" and have since 1989...I've seen what works and what doesn't. I've seen leather dry rot and rip of an officers belt. I've seen nylon rip and fray. I've worn sh*t so damned uncofortable, that I couldn't wait to take off and I've worn my gun just shoved in my pants because I've had to run out of the house 100 mph! I don't wear my gun just on the weekends or to the store and back, I wear mine every day for "AT LEAST" 8 hours a day, sometimes 10, 12 even 16 hours a day...but...OWB kydex is suddenly a bad idea? Well...I would LOVE to hear why!

[RobC]

I do have a load in my pants but that is a different story.....I have carried a PPK and K40 in my pockets and both work great. I can't wait for my model 60 to arrive.

[RobC]

If I could carry OWB I would carry my 1911 in a big flap holster with a lanyard, or a Smith Model 10 in a big basketweave holster on a gun belt with extra ammo.

Rob

[OStateFlyer]

...or a Smith Model 10 in a big basketweave holster on a gun belt with extra ammo.

Rob

I'd only let you keep one round for your Model 10, and it would be in your shirt pocket.

Brad

[J.P.]

Ok J.P. it doesn't look like anyone is gonna "touch" it so in your "professional" opinion, you tell me what's wrong with OWB kydex. Since I carry a gun "for a living" and have since 1989...I've seen what works and what doesn't. I've seen leather dry rot and rip of an officers belt. I've seen nylon rip and fray. I've worn sh*t so damned uncofortable, that I couldn't wait to take off and I've worn my gun just shoved in my pants because I've had to run out of the house 100 mph! I don't wear my gun just on the weekends or to the store and back, I wear mine every day for "AT LEAST" 8 hours a day, sometimes 10, 12 even 16 hours a day...but...OWB kydex is suddenly a bad idea? Well...I would LOVE to hear why!

Okie dokie.
First of all I carry 24/7 not just on 'weekends' for at least 10 hrs a day and have for too long for me to post here.
If you have seen what works and you consider an OWB Kydex holster as 'working' then you haven't tested it through serious FOF training.
There are good and bad makes of all materials.
The reason that OWB Kydex is a bad idea is because it breaks and opens yourself up for disarmament.
LEOs have various options that include retention devices that would give non-LEOs a severe disadvantage.smoe of those *may* be able to tkae the abuse of being thrown to the ground multiple times and stay intcat but there are many that do not. No civilian version that I can think of is worthy of consideration.

If you want a definitive answer,ask Mike Brown...or better yet bring your gear to his training classes.

The SERpa has been reported to fail in numerous ways.
whether or not they have been improved recently is not something that i've been privy to.

[Glock 'em down]

Well...that may be true for somebody like Mike Brown...he works in Tulsa for Christ's sake! You couldn't pay me enough to work at Tulsa PD or OKC PD. I work for a small agency in a small town. I don't get thrown to the ground on a regular basis...hell...I don't think I've ever been thrown to the ground which would not put my gear in any fear of breakage. Most of the stuff you guys own, want, see and read about, may work for you...if it does...GREAT! And when I say "you guys" I mean non-LEOs...as for LEOs (and I'm sure Mike Brown would probably agree with me here) we are always striving to find something comfortable...Jesus...I'm 6'3" and weigh in around 310 lbs...IWB just DOES NOT work for me! It stabs me in the side and forget about getting a good "combat grip" to make a successful draw to address my subject/target. If that one photo is really of you, I can see that you are a very skinny, scrawny guy...hell...you have to wear that thing over on your ASS for cryin' out loud! There's no way in SH*T I could get a good grip on that thing and present it downrange like I should! I've said it before, I'll say it again...we'll just agree to disagree! Kydex works for me!

[Glock 'em down]

And what in the hell do you do for a living that requires you to carry "24/7" Christ I'm a cop and even I don't carry all the time! 24/7...hmm...do you wear it to bed? That kinda sounds like paranoia to me?

[bulbboy]

I think he means he carries where ever he goes -

[Glock 'em down]

I think alot of this goes back to the old "he who dies with the most toys wins" saying. I don't buy toys...I buy tools! I've used the same tools for years and I've tried the new stuff too. I've spent a small fortune on every kind of gear you can think of and I've finally found something that actually works, doesn't cost half a year's salary and makes my fat old kiester go "aaaaaaaa...commmffffyyyyyy" when I wear it! That's important when you are NOT ALLOWED to take it off if it starts hurting you!

[brennan]

Some where on here MB posts his dislikes for OWB kydex.

[Glock 'em down]

I haven't seen it anywhere...maybe he does? The point I'm trying to make is that Mike Brown is an LEO is a friggin' hellish environment! THE CITY OF TULSA? JESUS CHRIST! I'D RATHER WALK THRU HELL WITH A GASOLINE SUIT ON! I pray for guys like him everyday! I live kinda in the middle of the state between Tulsa and OKC. I was born and raised in Claremore, OK just about 20 or so miles from T-town, so as a kid we went there quite often. I HATE Tulsa now but I would still rather go there than OKC! Probably the only time I go to OKC is to go watch the Redhawks or the Blazers play, and that's only about 2-3 times a year (free tickets from somebody or something). And every time I go to either city, I swear and be damned that I will never, EVER be a cop in those 2 cities. As far as the gear Mike Brown wears, I wish he would jump in here and tell us because I would like to know, because I value and respect his opinions/advice too. I've worn leather for years...can't say I miss it much! I'll probably never wear it again and there are many (maybe majority) LEOs that feel the same way! Nylon and kydex are just lighter and more comfortable! I think we've blown this all out of porportion anyway, so I'm just gonna shut the f**k up and say...I LIKE PANCAKES!!!

[Michael Brown]

http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1742

This thread contains a lot of other stuff but it also details my opinions on holsters and my dislike of Kydex OWB. Be sure to read the whole thread and not just the first post as it goes into greater detail and the first post only has a blurb on my dislike for kydex.

I'll try to find the others.

Michael Brown

[J.P.]

Well...that may be true for somebody like Mike Brown...he works in Tulsa for Christ's sake! You couldn't pay me enough to work at Tulsa PD or OKC PD. I work for a small agency in a small town. I don't get thrown to the ground on a regular basis...hell...I don't think I've ever been thrown to the ground which would not put my gear in any fear of breakage. Most of the stuff you guys own, want, see and read about, may work for you...if it does...GREAT! And when I say "you guys" I mean non-LEOs...as for LEOs (and I'm sure Mike Brown would probably agree with me here) we are always striving to find something comfortable...Jesus...I'm 6'3" and weigh in around 310 lbs...IWB just DOES NOT work for me! It stabs me in the side and forget about getting a good "combat grip" to make a successful draw to address my subject/target. If that one photo is really of you, I can see that you are a very skinny, scrawny guy...hell...you have to wear that thing over on your ASS for cryin' out loud! There's no way in SH*T I could get a good grip on that thing and present it downrange like I should! I've said it before, I'll say it again...we'll just agree to disagree! Kydex works for me!

Glad to hear you've never hit the ground in your gear.No need to plan for such an event then is there?
I'm not suggesting that you wear an IWB holster at all.
My aversion is to Kydex OWB...not Leather OWB
A kydex OWB is easier for a BG to control and they break easier than a quality leather OWB holster.

While it is a noble assumption to suggest Mike would lokk for comfort first and foremost,I'm sure retention,reliability,durability and accessability are his main concerns.I dunno....ask him.

I'm 6ft and 205lbs 'Skinny' and 'scrawny' comments aside,I do not wear my VM2 over my ass.
Those were older specific pics to ahow someone how they ride in that position.
I wear at 3:00 or slightly forward for tactical reasons.

i'll say it again,entertain a little FOF training and if you walk away satisfied with your choice,good on ya'!
JP

[J.P.]

And what in the hell do you do for a living that requires you to carry "24/7" Christ I'm a cop and even I don't carry all the time! 24/7...hmm...do you wear it to bed? That kinda sounds like paranoia to me?

Nothing *requires* me to carry at all.
I like to stay prepared for a violent attack.
what's the point of caryring "sometimes"?
If we could predict when/where a violent attack would occur,we'd likely avoid it altogether.

Just for the record,you said:
"I carry 24/7"
Are you paranoid?

[Glock 'em down]

Thanks Mike Brown and thanks to you too, J.P. But I am still curious...what do you do for a living that requires you to carry "24/7" like you said? You obviously make pretty good money to afford Milt Sparks stuff! One of my favorite holsters, and this is gonna make you laugh, is a Glock factory polymer holster. Me personally...I get SICK AND FRIGGIN' TIRED of carrying all the time! If I didn't have to, I wouldn't!

[J.P.]

[QUOTE=Glock 'em down] I don't buy toys...I buy tools![/qoute]

we think alike.
I make sure my tools are very reliable...that's why I don't carry 1911's in OWB kydex. ;)

[Glock 'em down]

See ya J.P.

[J.P.]

Thanks Mike Brown and thanks to you too, J.P. But I am still curious...what do you do for a living that requires you to carry "24/7" like you said? You obviously make pretty good money to afford Milt Sparks stuff!

Read my above post.
i make a very modest living but when my life is at stake,i don't pinch pennies.
I use IWB kydex as well sometimes.
the only time i use OWB kydex is for gun games like IDPA.

[RobC]

Actually I had a Glock Sport/Combat holster for a time. When I felt saucy and wanted to carry OWB that is what I used.

Rob

[Glock 'em down]

Hey Mike Brown! You are saying that you would rather use a Galco Concealable than a kydex OWB? Is the retention level that good in the Concealable? And what about...say...a Yaqui slide type of leather holster? I really do value your opinion and maybe I need to make a change in my equipment? Whaddya think?

[Michael Brown]

Hey Mike Brown! You are saying that you would rather use a Galco Concealable than a kydex OWB? Is the retention level that good in the Concealable? And what about...say...a Yaqui slide type of leather holster? I really do value your opinion and maybe I need to make a change in my equipment? Whaddya think?

What I have found in training is that because leather has some give to it, its easier to fight for and keep than kydex.

The fact that kydex is so fast and easy to draw from makes it equally perilous in a physical struggle, most pronounced on the ground.

If I have to carry OWB (which is rare) I prefer the Galco Avenger to the Concealable but the Concealable is usually easier to conceal for most people. Typically I carry the Sparks Summer Special 2.

The Yaqui looses some of the benefit of leather because it gives a suspect two distinct points of purchase on the gun. Any OWB does this but not as significantly.

Michael Brown

[J.P.]

The Yaqui looses some of the benefit of leather because it gives a suspect two distinct points of purchase on the gun. Any OWB does this but not as significantly.

i echo that concern about "slide" holsters.

[mmcbeat]

Mitch Rosen Workman - hard to beat.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/mmcbeat/CPGHolster.jpg

[Leadblooded]

I've started making my own holsters,so nobody can argue about them.

[trade_sniper]

+1 for Milt Sparks VMII

[Robbo]

Currently I carry my 1911 in a Milt Sparks VMII in horsehide...I have been waiting for six months for my Matt Delfatti ISP-LP...might be another six months too. The VMII will be retired upon the arrival of the Delfatti.

Rob

Wanna "retire" that VMII to me for a fair price? :yelclap:

:D

Rob

[RobC]

Wanna "retire" that VMII to me for a fair price? :yelclap:

:D

Rob


My VMII has been worn almost every day for close to two years. Given that it might be my primary holster for another six months or so it may be pretty worn out. I'll post pictures when the time comes to see if anyone wants it.

Rob

[Redsnake]

I love my VM2 w/my 5" 1911. There are a couple others I'd like to try, but for the >$100 price tag it's hard to justify just to 'try out'. If only I had a couple buddies w/the holsters to try. I'd love to give one of Alessi's IWB's a try.

Here's mine...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Redsnake/ConcealedCarryRig007.jpg

This one looks like I'm a lefty... but it's the reverse-image-mirror thing... :)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Redsnake/ConcealedCarryRig005.jpg

[Michael Brown]

I love my VM2 w/my 5" 1911. There are a couple others I'd like to try, but for the >$100 price tag it's hard to justify just to 'try out'. If only I had a couple buddies w/the holsters to try. I'd love to give one of Alessi's IWB's a try.

Here's mine...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Redsnake/ConcealedCarryRig007.jpg

This one looks like I'm a lefty... but it's the reverse-image-mirror thing... :)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Redsnake/ConcealedCarryRig005.jpg

If you're carrying for self-defense purposes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Michael Brown

[Cowman]

Reality is, most cops are not "gun guys". Go to some Continuing Ed Cleet classes. You will see a lot of fobus. Not many with a spare mag. I am not sure many carry off duty. Not trying to find fault, mind you. Just a observation. And I would venture a guess that most would be a novice after a IDPA qual. Most would be well served to take a Brown, Farnam, Givens, or the like class.

[jarhead79]

I've started making my own holsters,so nobody can argue about them.

I personally prefer my own brand as well. I build it to my own specs and if I don't like it, I make another one.(I haven't remade one yet)

Leadblooded actually has a few from me. He's made more for himself and I've seen them, nice stuff.

[Michael Brown]

I personally prefer my own brand as well. I build it to my own specs and if I don't like it, I make another one.(I haven't remade one yet)

Leadblooded actually has a few from me. He's made more for himself and I've seen them, nice stuff.

Our group will gladly give the holster a hardcore test if you are interested in it.

Michael Brown

[Michael Brown]

Reality is, most cops are not "gun guys". Go to some Continuing Ed Cleet classes. You will see a lot of fobus. Not many with a spare mag. I am not sure many carry off duty. Not trying to find fault, mind you. Just a observation. And I would venture a guess that most would be a novice after a IDPA qual.

This is so dead on.

I am always disturbed at in-service when I'm one of two or three oficers with a spare mag and one of probably a dozen that even have a gun on.

Michael Brown

[NikatKimber]

I have the utmost respect for LEO, but it is creepy to think that the police that many people place their hope for safety in, care so little about extensive knowledge and training with their gun. Especially since that may be what the LEO's life could depend on someday.

[Glock 'em down]

Hey Mike Brown (and everybody else) do you carry a tactical flashlight on your person off-duty? Chances are, you are gonna need it more than a spare mag (yes, I do carry a spare mag also). My EDC light is a SureFire E2e. I carry it AND my SureFire G2 on duty. There alot of guys (you know who you are) that never even give a personal light a second thought. If you don't have one...GET ONE! I personally like the SureFire E2e because it is as bright as my SF G2, it is compact and weighs mere ounces and has a neat little pocket clip that is similar to the pocket clip on everybody's EDC folding knives (I KNOW you guys are carrying those!) Anyway...just my :twocents:

[NikatKimber]

I need one, just waiting to get into my own place first. Flashlights (especially good ones) have a habit of being "borrowed" permanently here.

[brennan]

This is so dead on.

I am always disturbed at in-service when I'm one of two or three oficers with a spare mag and one of probably a dozen that even have a gun on.

Michael Brown

What do you mean by "in-service"?

[Glock 'em down]

I own 3 SureFire lights. To me, they are the best and I will never own anything else! THEY ARE THAT GOOD! Most LEOs like Streamlight because they are rechargeable, but I despise them...let me tell you why.

Once upon a time, I went on a man hunt for an escapee that fled from the County Jail. With my "handy-dandy, rusty-trusty" Streamlight SL20 in hand, I went out with about 10-15 other officers in the dark woods of South Central Oklahoma-VERY RURAL...and after about 30-45 minutes in the dark (1:00am) the Streamlight decided to quit on me! :faint: Luckily I had my mini-mag "back-up" on my duty belt (this was before I discovered SureFire). So with mini-mag leading the way, I walked back to my cruiser (about 2 miles away) and sat and pouted while the other guys all played and had fun. :nolike: Now that I've started carrying SureFires on duty (and off duty) I'm never in the dark! :) I carry a SF G2 on my duty belt and a SF E2e (with the pocket clip) in my left pocket. I also have a SureFire SC1 battery/lamp carrier that holds an extra bulb for the G2 and 6 Lithium batteries that power both lights (2 batteries each). And of course while "conducting business" I use the department issue Streamlight Ultra Stinger...I will never be left in the dark again!

The price tag may scare you-most SureFires go for $60-$120 each, depending on which model you choose. I paid $89 for the SF E2e - but it was worth it! I was carrying my SF 6P in my pocket (now retired to auto use), but I got sick of it banging around loose in there along with my keys, coins, cell phone etc. The SureFire G2 is what I carry on my duty belt. It is the "economy" SureFire...it's basically a SF 6P (aluminum body) but is made of Nitrolon (polymer)...you can pick up one of those for about $35-$40...and they come in Tactical Black, OD Green, Desert Tan and Safety Yellow...Awesome lights! By reading this, you would think that I was a SureFire dealer of a spokesperson, but I am just a 110% totaly satisfied customer...I will never own anything else...THEY ROCK!!!:thumb:

[Glock 'em down]

I need one, just waiting to get into my own place first. Flashlights (especially good ones) have a habit of being "borrowed" permanently here.

As far as my SureFires being "borrowed" my crew knows that they might as well pick up my Glock! The SureFires are OFF-LIMITS! I will tell you about a kinda cool flashlight, NikatKimber...go to your local Wal-Mart and pick up a Brinkmann Maxfire. It's "almost" as bright as a SureFire but doesn't have near as much "throw" as the SureFires do...but it will light up a bedroom or living room pretty good and it's only got a $20 price tag! They are about the same size as a SureFire 6P or G2, they are made of plastic with a rubber armoring, they use the same Lithium CR123 batteries like the SureFire and they have the same type of "hammering" on the inside of the bezel, like SureFire, to eliminate the dark rings and spots and they use a tactical tailcap push-button, like SureFire...I own 2 of those too. One is in my wife's car and one by the bed for when I'm away. Like I said, they don't have the throw that a SureFire does but for 20 bucks? Yeah...they'll work in a pinch.:thumb:

[J.P.]

Best light I ever owned was a surefire 6R.
I *need* to buy a new one because my last Scorpion just broke.

[YukonGlocker]

I have several Surefire G2 lights. They are excellent for the money. If you lose one you are not out much.

[Glock 'em down]

Scorpion? Let's see...um...Streamlight product? I thought so! SureFire is the only way to go!

[Glock 'em down]

I promise you...the first time you get left out in the woods with a dead Streamlight in your hands and it's darker than pitch, I guarantee...you will go with a SureFire! :thumb: I'm not afraid of the dark...I'm afraid of what's IN the dark!

[J.P.]

I've broken two Surefires and four Streamlights.
I'm hard on equipment but I do agree that surefire is the superior product.

[brennan]

CR123 batteries suck they run down to fast go the the LED and Xenon not just xenon or high output bulb. Who wants to change batteries all of the time.

[Glock 'em down]

Go to a website called lighthound.com he has the cheapest batteries around. Great guy, located down around Houston. I buy all of my SureFire stuff from him.

[RobC]

I have three surefires and I love them all. Right now I have two 6Ps, and one A2. I had an X200a but sold the light and the pistol that it was on. Now I have nothing with a light rail. I'm gonna grab an L2 the next time I make it down to Houston and have enough time to visit my favorite toy store down there.

Rob

[brennan]

Go to a website called lighthound.com he has the cheapest batteries around. Great guy, located down around Houston. I buy all of my SureFire stuff from him.

How much per battery? And what brand?

[jarhead79]

Our group will gladly give the holster a hardcore test if you are interested in it.

Michael Brown

By "our group" you mean OSAers, there are already about 10 of you out there wearing my gear. So far, I haven't had any complaints. (hopefully this doesn't draw them out) Nikat had some stitching issues, but I believe we got those worked out

Here's a few guys that have my stuff: (sorry if you didn't want outed)

Shucky
OUfree
NikatKimber
Leadblooded
SoonerJH
DRC458
John Zane
CRXMan

Maybe more, but can't recall.. To all, thanks again, and also feedback if you have any (good or bad).

[brennan]

I think he means "his" group.

[Glock 'em down]

He sells a brand called "Battery Station" that are just as good as Energizer or SureFire's brand (which are made by Energizer, BTW) for about $1.25 per battery or 6 for around $5 or $6 - DIRT CHEAP! Or you can buy the Energizer or SureFire for around $1.85 each or 6 for about $8 or $9. He has several different packages 6 to 10 to 30 or more! Whatever you want or however many you want he can hook you up...check out his website...you'll be glad that you did! lighthound.com And tell him Evan from Oklahoma sent ya! :thumb:

[Michael Brown]

Hey Mike Brown (and everybody else) do you carry a tactical flashlight on your person off-duty?

Yes.

Michael Brown

[Michael Brown]

By "our group" you mean OSAers, there are already about 10 of you out there wearing my gear.

No, I am talking about my instructor staff.

We evaluate products for a number of companies and have been sponsored by several.

Michael Brown

[Glock 'em down]

What is it?:anyone:

[Glock 'em down]

Hey Jarhead, send us some photos of some of your "creations" I might give one a try.

[J.P.]

www.thepraesidiumgroup.com

If it survives them,you can probably trust your life to it. :)
Of course Mike could tear up a bulldozer with a bobby-pin.......

[RobC]

"You could break an anvil" is the way my dad always said it, usually after I had broken something.

Rob

[DRC458]

By "our group" you mean OSAers, there are already about 10 of you out there wearing my gear. So far, I haven't had any complaints. (hopefully this doesn't draw them out) Nikat had some stitching issues, but I believe we got those worked out

Here's a few guys that have my stuff: (sorry if you didn't want outed)

Shucky
OUfree
NikatKimber
Leadblooded
SoonerJH
DRC458
John Zane
CRXMan

Maybe more, but can't recall.. To all, thanks again, and also feedback if you have any (good or bad).

Nate makes some nice holsters and, for the price, you can't go wrong. I just can't get used to IWB ... it bugs the he11 out of me! Of course, I can't be pleased. I don't like pocket holsters, I can't open carry, cross draw is next. I know ... I'm just a pain in the a$$ whiney-butt. No denying it.

[NikatKimber]

Glock em Down, there is a thread in here called "holsters by nate (me)" I believe that has several pics in it of his work. I have 3 holsters, and a mag carrier. two IWB holsters are pictured in the thread. the OWB belt slide is my favorite so far, holds my Kimber nice n tight, and looks nice too.

[stepper]

Can I get in on the argument?

I like my VM2 for IWB. Alessi CQC/S for OWB. Overall, the Alessi is the absolute best and most comfortable for me.

[stepper]

Oh, I have one of those Brinkman's. Good little light for the money! I also have the cheapo Surefire. Both work good for me.

[soonerjh]

Here is my best carry holster. Thanks again Stepper:)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/soonerjh/mediumpichbe.jpg

the "Wicked" holster from HBE, made by Eric Larsen

[bulbboy]

I still can't get over how awesome those grips are!!

Where did you say you got those?

[soonerjh]

Hey bulbboy, got them from Omega at:

http://www.czgrips.us/

don't know if he does other stuff or not...

[stepper]

Here is my best carry holster. Thanks again Stepper:)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/soonerjh/mediumpichbe.jpg

the "Wicked" holster from HBE, made by Eric Larsen

No problem, bro! It would still be in my closet right now. I'm glad it has a good home. :) Sweet holster, I really liked it. Very unique. Did you ever get the other holster that you ordered from HBE?

[soonerjh]

No problem, bro! It would still be in my closet right now. I'm glad it has a good home. :) Sweet holster, I really liked it. Very unique. Did you ever get the other holster that you ordered from HBE?

no Stepper I am still waiting for it! apparently he has gone thru some personal crisis and it has put him months behind so if anyone is thinking about ordering from him, best to call him first and talk to him to see whats going on, he's good about returning your calls, emails. Still worth the wait IMHO.

[A.J.]

I guess I'm missing something here. In a thread below this I mentioned carrying my new Kimber 5" eclipse in an OWB this past weekend under a windbreaker, and was very happy with how comfortable and well it concealed. Then I just asked if anybody had any experience with an SOB type holster. Mr. Brown informed me everything I need to know about an SOB holster is right here in this thread, then locked down my thread. Most of you guys on here know a lot about different holsters, and just mention them by brand name. I'm kinda new at this. Which ones are the SOB's?

[Michael Brown]

I posted this info somewhere else in this thread but here is a basic summary of the problem with SOB holsters:

1) Inaccessibility anywhere but standing

2) Prone to create back problems for the wearer

3) Poor in-fight access

4) Poor articulation of the wrist and shoulder during the draw creating potential for a fouled draw.

Throughout this sticky you should find plenty of good information on CCW holsters.

Please review the stickies before posting a new thread.

Michael Brown

[bulbboy]

I guess I'm missing something here. In a thread below this I mentioned carrying my new Kimber 5" eclipse in an OWB this past weekend under a windbreaker, and was very happy with how comfortable and well it concealed. Then I just asked if anybody had any experience with an SOB type holster. Mr. Brown informed me everything I need to know about an SOB holster is right here in this thread, then locked down my thread. Most of you guys on here know a lot about different holsters, and just mention them by brand name. I'm kinda new at this. Which ones are the SOB's?


SOB is a style and not a name brand. Only a handfull of holster makers carry them (Galco, Rosen (I think), etc). I didn't find it that effective. I found that it bulged too much, and sold mine. Some people really love them but I think they are few and far between. I would go with a belt-slide or a snap on/off style over the Small of Back (SOB) holsters.

[TSQUARE]

I posted this info somewhere else in this thread but here is a basic summary of the problem with SOB holsters:

1) Inaccessibility anywhere but standing

2) Prone to create back problems for the wearer

3) Poor in-fight access

4) Poor articulation of the wrist and shoulder during the draw creating potential for a fouled draw.

Throughout this sticky you should find plenty of good information on CCW holsters.

Please review the stickies before posting a new thread.

Michael Brown

In C.L.E.E.T. they mentioned the danger of carry S.O.B. due to a nerve in the middle of the back area that can be damaged if you fall on your weapon. I have had a back surgery and am very very tender in that area anyways. I conceal carry ALL THE TIME with a Comp-Tac C.T.A.C., and have never had any problems, I love those holsters.

[First Freedom]

My favorite one I've found so far (granted that I haven't tried that many) is this Gould & Goodrich paddle holster:
http://www.gouldusa.com/products/productLine_catType.php?type=Paddle+Holster+%26+Co mfort+Paddle+Holster&line=Gold+Line+Concealment+Holsters%2C+Belts+%26+A ccessories

I don't know which one of those 4 models I have, but it's high quality and works great - stays in place.

For a minimalist holster, I like my Milt Sparks Mirage:
http://www.miltsparks.com/Mirage.htm

[KS.G36]

This IWB is comfortable for me. I have worn it 10 - 12 hours on several occasions.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/beltslide.html

[Iwant1]

I just ordered a shoulder holster made by Safariland. Has anyone heard of it or have any suggestions?

[P97]

For me, I haven't found anything I like as well as the Milt Sparks VM2HS.

[shooterdc9]

It took me a while, like about 2,347 holsters lying on my closet floor, but I finally found the IWB holster for me. BTW, I had to buy a larger house just to hold all of those holsters I own which I no longer use. BUT . . . I found Comp-Tac.com company, the Pro Undercover to be exact. http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=44
It's the only holster that after I strap my Comp-Tac Pro nice and tight on my belt it tucks it close into the side of my body and still remains comfortable. As a matter of fact, I forget I am wearing it. I think the belt you use also is a extremely important part of this "SYSTEM". I call it a system because it really is a system. You put all these parts together and then it will be very effective. But, that's only my opinion. BTW. . . it's only $50.00 too. Pretty nice, ehhh?? :thanku:

[ce1447]

Cross Breed Super Tuck. By far the most comfortable holster I have worn.

That's just my opinion though.

You just have to try them until you find one that works well for you.

[chuckels59h]

I posted this info somewhere else in this thread but here is a basic summary of the problem with SOB holsters:

1) Inaccessibility anywhere but standing

2) Prone to create back problems for the wearer

3) Poor in-fight access

4) Poor articulation of the wrist and shoulder during the draw creating potential for a fouled draw.

Throughout this sticky you should find plenty of good information on CCW holsters.

Please review the stickies before posting a new thread.

Michael Brown

You forgot one, it exposes/makes available, the weapon to anyone behind you to grab and use.

[lgetc]

http://leathergunsetc.com/images/Snakeinlay1.jpg this is my favorite style I have one like this for every gun I have they are made to fit the gun the gun stays right there you can fall upside down and the gun will stay holstered but will slid out with ease I have some with and without the snake great holster rides very high and tight againist the body and it only hangs about 2" below the belt:thumb: that's a pix of my custom Bond Arms with real stag

[J.P.]

I went from the VM2 to a K&D Maverick Defender @ the 2:00 position.

I've found that the SSI just isn't stable enough on my belts.
The loop arrangement allows the holset to "rock" and to walk around on the belt throughout the day.
The VM2 mitigates this problem but it's fore/aft loop arrangement takes up more real estate on your belt which can be detrimental if you carry a lot of gear....which apparently I do.

Enter the K&D Maverick Defender.....

It has a single point belt attatchment tab that doesn't allow any movement like the SSII, but it has the SSII's lower profile.
The Maverick can be work either OWB or IWB ans the can't angle is adjustable.
I've used a couple of them now, and haven't found anything I like better.
Since the original post three years ago, I've started carrying my gun in the 2:00 position (Appendix) because I feel it offers far more advantages than behind the hip carry.
With this type of carry, a holster with an FBI cant is not ideal because you must break your wrist over to draw.
The adjustability of the Maverick allows me to position the holster in a straight-drop configuration which works far better for this position.
A reverse cant would be ideal (and is possible with the Maverick) but I've not found a good way to comfortably conceal a fullsize gun with that setup.
YMMV

Here's a pic of the Maverick from K&D's site:
http://kdholsters.com/images/maverick-use-s.jpg

[specialfx78]

I love my VMII, but I may have to try a Defender out. You hit the nail on the head about the VMII. It carries GREAT, but takes up a lot of space. I've got a slim waste already so there isn't much real estate to give up!

[AirMech74]

I love my Crossbreed, its simple and very very comfy.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r268/jaymzb74/S4300084.jpg

[cheech_029]

I agree with ce1447 and airmech74 my CrossBreed Supertuck is extremely comfortable. I carry everyday, sometimes up to 16 hours a day, and love the way the leather has formed around my pistol and hip. It is not an SOB but a strong side IWB.

Yes, Mr. Brown :) it has kydex to retain the pistol but I think it is pretty well protected inside the waistband. I guess time will tell...

[davebloomer]

I am still about a month out from having my CCL but i just got my smartcarry (BUG holster) in and boy is that a nice little setup.. Im going to carry a S&W 442 in it as soon as i buy one. right now i am wearing it around the house with a G26 and it is great. gun goes in and disappears. Tend to forget it's even on.
I'm still waiting on my CTAC that i ordered earlier this week. I will carry my G26 in it.

[FullAuto]

The one that gets the most use is a DeSantis pancake holster I wear strong side hip. I have an Uncle Mike's ankle holster that gets quite a bit of use too.

[chadtx]

Tucker "The Answer". High quality and comfort. Strongly recommend.

http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/index.html

[bmoney]

crossbreed super tuck for my xd or the mini tuck for my lcp

[Slamfire]

I've got a uncle Mikes for my .38 snubbie that works pretty well.

[cowzrul]

Just got my Milt Sparks VM2 in today. To tell you the truth I feel like my M-Tac does a better job at concealing my Sig and is just as comfortable.

[Glock 'em down]

Just got my Milt Sparks VM2 in today. To tell you the truth I feel like my M-Tac does a better job at concealing my Sig and is just as comfortable.

Post it up for sale. Those things sell like hotcakes around here. You should get back EVERY PENNY and then some. ;)

[Teeeroy]

Just got my Milt Sparks VM2 in today. To tell you the truth I feel like my M-Tac does a better job at concealing my Sig and is just as comfortable.

Which Sig do you carry? I currently carry a Kahr CW9, but I've thought about trying to carry my P228, if I wear the right clothes.

And like G2G said, if it fits mine and you're not going to use it, I'd consider buying it. The turnaround time for these things is outragious.

[mr xd]

if your looking for an iwb holster, tuker gunleather makes a great one in the texas herritage. its a very good holster, gun fits great, but you have to get used to the extra bulk at your waist (depending on what you carry). personally, ive been considering buying a compression holster shirt, such as the 5.11 tactical. is anyone familiar with these, and if so, will they hold a full size weapon, like the saxd .40?

[t mar]

concealedcomfort.com Think Im going to try one.

[Kaw77]

I like my Galco Silhouette and my Kirpatrick SOB and use them most of them time

[WNM]

G26 in a VM2 on a Looper's belt.

Although I'm fairly new to the game, this setup is extremely comfortable and conceals well for me.

[ExtremistPullup]

I looks like IWB holsters can be worn on the out side of the waist band also.
any thoughts on that?

I should be carrying a Glock 23 any recommendations I have read the thread but there are so many choices I think I would prefer IWB
I'm a 33 Waist v shaped not much body fat.

[J.P.]

I looks like IWB holsters can be worn on the out side of the waist band also.
any thoughts on that?

I should be carrying a Glock 23 and recommendations I have read the thread but there are so many choices I think I would prefer IWB
I'm a 33 Waist v shaped not much body fat.

The K&D Maverick Defender can and it's what I use.

There is a review/pic over in K&D's OSA sponsor section

[mmcbeat]

Just ordered my first Milt Sparks VM2 from Top Gun. It should arrive Monday.

[Soulman]

The K&D Maverick Defender can and it's what I use.

There is a review/pic over in K&D's OSA sponsor section

Talked to Kevin's wife about a week ago. She confirmed it with Kevin, but the Maverick is no longer being offered. Check K&D's page for up to date offerings.

[Shriner]

Don Hune H 717 #1-- chater bulldog 44 slp
Don Hune H 715m #25 Usp --HK USP 45 acp full size

[Gvdrvr]

I looks like IWB holsters can be worn on the out side of the waist band also.
any thoughts on that?

I should be carrying a Glock 23 any recommendations I have read the thread but there are so many choices I think I would prefer IWB
I'm a 33 Waist v shaped not much body fat.

I have Glock 23 and a CTAC that I can conceal very easy for me being 6'1" and 175lbs.

[Slingshot82]

I really like my Goodrich leather holster very nice!

[Young Blood]

I carry a Glock 27 and I use a Blackhawk Serpa Sporster Paddle holster. The reasons are that it is very secure, the weapon is locked in by the trigger guard, very conforming to my hip, no play or movement. It has a index finger release button which I like cause I dont want to be in a store and have it pop out and fall or anything like that. It rides at the right height for my draw. Its definatley worth trying on.

[MiKelly]

new to carrying, going to give smart carry a try first.

[Lobsterknuckles]

Hate to just jump in, but has anyone used the clip draw? I'm interested in these, but if they suck I don't want to waste the money/time thanks.

[Operator45]

I use one of these:
http://www.ubgholsters.com/iwb.htm
I use the striker, and love the way it feels. It's very comfortable, and hold very well. It's also priced nicely, but there is about a 5-7 week wait, as is with most handmade stuff.

[computermonkey]

I like my crossbreed holster made of horse hide. Reason I like it is it handles the weight for the Glock 30 with 10 rounds of 45acp very well.

[308shooter]

I alSo have a glock 30 amazing pistol first off. I use a blackhawk size 7 holster. I just tuck it in between my pants and waste it's amazing. I think it's made out of polyester I'm not to sure. But it's like 15 bucks great for the price nobody can even tell I'm packin. Llol.

[OU68]

Anyone tried a Kangaroo Carry? www.kangaroocarry.com Not the best for a fast draw since it goes inside the shirt, but has been pretty comfortable with my P-11.:ou1

[Lone Wolf '49]

Milt Sparks Summer Special (IWB) for 1911's, Sigs and Glocks, however, I am impressed with El Paso Saddlery for on the belt carry.

[scube]

Anyone tried a Kangaroo Carry? www.kangaroocarry.com Not the best for a fast draw since it goes inside the shirt, but has been pretty comfortable with my P-11.:ou1


Wow! I wouldn't worry about the gun printing. i would worry that it looked like I was wearing a bra!:laugh6:

[spastik monkey]

I have a a Blackhawk SERPA CQC holster, i use the paddle instead of the belt clip. Absolutely love it, secure, comfortable, and positive locking

[Slack One]

Wow! I wouldn't worry about the gun printing. i would worry that it looked like I was wearing a bra!:laugh6:

Apparently there are setups like that to carry Ipods now, as I saw one dude wearing one, exposing it when he was mopping his head with his shirt. So you could cover your back by saying that you've just been jogging, and it's your Ipod "bro." Then maybe jog in place to emphasize your point :)

[upnover]

my favorite holster is a UBG(ugly bald guy) iwb, it was around $70 shipped and lead time was less than 2 months, i saw someone carrying one and was impressed with how low the gun sat in the holster, all of my galcos and other off the shelf type holsters have the butt of the gun too high in the holster for my taste, most of the weight (in a 45 anyway) is in the grip so i like the gun deep, i also have a tucker owb and i think it is about as good of holster as you can get in a owb, both excellent holsters.

[gwHawker]

I like the Cross Breed for my 1911 so much that I am going to get one for my wheel gun as well.:woohoo1:

[BurkLee]

my favorite holster is a UBG(ugly bald guy) iwb, it was around $70 shipped and lead time was less than 2 months, i saw someone carrying one and was impressed with how low the gun sat in the holster

+1 on the UBG Canute. I have no desire to try a 6-month-wait Milt Sparks since I got this:

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo177/BurkC/UBGKimber2.jpg

[cgb0_3]

Bianchi 3 slot belt slide for my glock26. Tried ankle and iwb holsters for it and just more comfortable with this style. I do like my desantis ankle holster for j frame though. Still light enough to wear for a long time.

[YukonHunter]

Crossbreed Supertuck for me.

[cowzrul]

Supertuck or Mtac

[Commander Keen]

Personally, I never go anywhere (unless prohibited by law) without my G30 in a Comp-tac MTAC holster. That, plus a horsehide belt from thebeltman.net.
A QUALITY holster and belt make a world of difference in the comfort of carrying a firearm.

Also, Comp-tac and The Beltman are great companies to do business with. Fair prices and excellent customer service.

[boomer95]

I use the PT-ONE holster made by Pistol Wear. It works great for casual wear or exercise clothing. I have tried several of the popular CHL holsters and I found this one the best for me. The website is http://www.pistolwear.com

[DaveTec]

My favorite is the GURU wallet type front pocket holster that my keltec P3AT resides in.

[blutch]

Boomer.. that looks great for those with flat bellies. What about the rest of us? Will that holster work IWB at 4:00 carry?

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[boomer95]

blutch, I would not recommend the holster for IWB carry since it has an integrated belt with it. However, my dad carries a Glock model 22 with the same holster and he has a good case of the "dunlap syndrome"...he has a large belly. If the holster is worn just above the hips and below the belly it works very well.

[cwdrlove]

Anyone wearing a D. M. Bullard Tuckable IWB? I like the idea of being able to tuck a shirt in over the holster so only the clip shows. They look nice, reasonably priced for custom leather, and only an 8-week wait, compared to much longer waits out there.

[CASTRATE]

i make all of my own gunleather, and all of my holsters work quite well for concealment. i normally go IWB though

[SirCharlie]

Anyone wearing a D. M. Bullard Tuckable IWB? I like the idea of being able to tuck a shirt in over the holster so only the clip shows. They look nice, reasonably priced for custom leather, and only an 8-week wait, compared to much longer waits out there.

My favorite is my LCP Wallet type from D.M. Bullard. He makes an excellant top quality leather holster. I had mine within 3 days, not 8weeks though. Perhaps he just had some stock back when I ordered mine.

[Nraman]

I carry all the time, however my needs are simple. I am not LEO, I don't have to chase anybody and I don't expect any trouble (if I expected trouble I would not go, if I had to go I'd take an AR15 or better).
After buying a few nice holsters that I found impractical, I finally settled to the cheap IWB or pocket holsters. I like cheap holsters because they tend to be the thinnest like a single layer of suede leather and small. Those great looking expensive holsters that are thick, heavy and bulky are not for me. I even cut and restitched a couple of them to make them fit better. IWB for G26, pocket holster for Khar PM9 or Ruger 380. With a loose shirt there is no printing, nobody figures I am carrying.

[hosspwr94]

I use these guys for my g30, g26, and my previous cz50 very nice work! and great guys to talk to and hang out with.
http://gauntleatherworks.com/

[theishkid]

Has anyone heard of WRB holsters? I went all over OKC today looking for a front pocket holster for my new Taurus TCP. I went in to Gun World just to see what they had in stock and I found this brand. It has fit better than any other holster I have found. I'm thinking about going back and buying even though they are about $5 more than if I bought online. My only concern is they have this grippy stuff on the outside. Like shelf liner for a tool chest... I just don't know if this is a plus or a detriment? Any thoughts or experiences? Very little information can be found online about it.

[SPRBLKXX]

fobus

[powdernlead]

My DeSantis nemesis is great for the front pocket of about 99% of my pants. It keeps my LCP handy and stable

[theishkid]

I went ahead and picked up the WRB holster this weekend from GunWorld. It was the model that said it fit the LCP but it's fitting my Taurus TCP just fine. At first I thought it was a little weird but that's probably just me getting use to the extra weight in my pocket. I was a little worried that it could come out of the pocket but the only thing that fell out of my pocket so far is my iPhone. This thing has a neat little grip to it on the sides which keeps it in place.

[257wby]

Apparently there are setups like that to carry Ipods now, as I saw one dude wearing one, exposing it when he was mopping his head with his shirt. So you could cover your back by saying that you've just been jogging, and it's your Ipod "bro." Then maybe jog in place to emphasize your point :)

What you saw could have been was a heart rate monitor. A lot of serious runners have them to measure heart rate and breaths per minute.

[popo103]

I havent written many responses, actually this is my second. Just my opinion but it seems to me that there is not one ideal holster but rather a few different really good holsters for different methods of carrying. I think first you have to decide what your going to carry (firearm), what is the weather like (hot/cold, shorts/pants). And lastly, are you going to train,train, train with that holster and become proficient with it? I have used belly bands, ankle holsters, iwb,owb and duty rigs. I love them all but I had to learn their specific purposes first and adjust accordingly. My favorite is just a Don Hume Jit Slide, call me simple.

[Blackbirdpilot]

I usually carry a Springfield Micro Compact in either a Milt Sparks VMII or a Watch Six. I love both holsters. I bought the VMII after reading a lot of very positive reviews. It seems to be one of the most popular holsters going as evidenced by the 3 month to the day wait for mine. I was later gifted the watch six and they are almost exactly the same holster. The VMII is IMO a much nicer rig. The finish work and the loops seem better as well as the reinforced mouth that makes reholstering easier. I wear the Watch Six if I'm wearing some pretty tight pants and need the extra couple mm of reduced thickness. They are both top notch rigs though.
I wear them with a Wilderness Instructors belt much of the time but I recently got a Beltman leather belt and its much stiffer than the instructor belt which generally equates to more comfort.

[SAXXIN]

Does anyone know if the K&D Maverick Defender have sewn in sight rails? I think I've pretty much narrowed my search to the Maverick Defender or Milt Sparks SS2 for my Glock 23 with XS Big Dot sights.