cost of a class III license?

[AgentJBOND]

and i'm not talking about money here, though that information is welcome, as well.

i have heard that, as a class III holder, one must submit to a BATF search and inspection of all firearms without any probably cause or anything else.
what's the real deal? what must one do/agree to/pay?

[wlcharm]

No.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt
This might help.
As far as cost AOW $5.00 everything else $200.

[Robbo]

I believe that rumor was started by misunderstanding that the above is true (I believe) if you have a class 3 license (are a dealer).

If you are asking about simply buying a title II firearm (or suppressor, DD) to own personally then "no" as wlcharm stated.

It is a simple and straightforward process (albeit costly, and patience straining haha).

If you are only interested in buying one for yourself the steps are as follows:

Make sure they are legal in your state (since your in OK no problemo)
Make sure that there is a LEO that will sign off in your county (or you can go the corp/trust route)
Find the gun/suppressor, etc. that you want
Pay the seller
Fill out the form 4, get prints/pictures etc. or get trust/corp papers in order)
Mail off paperwork with appropriate tax amount
Wait
Wait
Wait some more
Get the much anticipated call from your dealer and go pick up your new baby (happened to me yesterday on my first one!!! :D)

I guess that was more than you asked for (and may have already known)...but there it is.
Rob

[Robbo]

No.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt
This might help.
As far as cost AOW $5.00 everything else $200.

Nice link W. Hadn't seen that one before. Bookmarked. :thumb:

Rob

[wlcharm]

The bad thing is you can't stop at one!!!!!!

[Robbo]

The bad thing is you can't stop at one!!!!!!

You don't have to tell me twice.... had 3 more forms (supressor, SBR, sear) in process before I even got this one home haha! :D Man between buying cars and this stuff I've paid enough tax already this year to buy a nice .308! :nolike:

:thumb:

Rob

[wlcharm]

Here let me help you. Here is a 308 can for you!!!!!http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/phantom762.html

[AgentJBOND]

thanks for the great responses... dang that FAQ is long, but I will get around to looking at it soon, i hope

i had heard that thing about BATF inspection from an FFL, so though it might be true for him, i guess it wouldn't be true for me (not an FFL)(?)

robbo - any LEO to sign off, or some specific high ranking one?

[CAR-AR-M16]

thanks for the great responses... dang that FAQ is long, but I will get around to looking at it soon, i hope

i had heard that thing about BATF inspection from an FFL, so though it might be true for him, i guess it wouldn't be true for me (not an FFL)(?)

robbo - any LEO to sign off, or some specific high ranking one?

The local chief of police (if any), the local sheriff, the local district (prosecuting) attorney, the chief of the state police, or
the state Attorney General.

[wlcharm]

robbo - any LEO to sign off, or some specific high ranking one?
First try the CLEO Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the city you live in.
Word for word off of the Form 4

LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFICATION. Item 17 must be completed for an individual transferee, unless the transferee is licensed as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer under the GCA and is a special (occupational) taxpayer under the NFA at the time of the submission of the application for transfer. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police for the transferee's city or town of residence; the Sheriff for the transferee's county of residence; the Head of the State Police for the transferee's State of residence; a State or local district attorney or prosecutor having jurisdiction in the transferee's area of residence; or another person whose certification is acceptable to the Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. If someone has specific delegated authority to sign on behalf of the Chief of Police, Sheriff, etc., this fact must be noted by printing the Chief's, Sheriff's, or other authorized official's name and title, followed by the word "by" and the full signature and title of the delegated person. The certificate must be dated no more than one year prior to the date of receipt of the application.

[Robbo]

Good info about the CLEO above. Not sure who is willing to sign over there since I am in Tulsa County.

wlcharm - :faint: Thanks a lot for that link! :nolike: If I start hanging around you I will be eating Ramen like back in the college days because I won't have any food $$$! Must...put....that....gun.... out.... of..... mind.......

Rob

.....going to look at YHM site again.... :D

[Tulsa Shooter]

Good luck on getting a signoff in Tulsa County, I've tried with no luck. Let me know if you do though.

[wlcharm]

Got off this page. Don't know if it will help!!!!
http://mp5.net/info/itmgwi.htm

The CLEO Signoff

The CLEO certification section reads:

"I certify that I am the chief law enforcement officer of the organization named below having jurisdiction in the area of residence of (your name here). I have no information indicating that the transferee will use the firearm or device described on this application for other than lawful purposes. I have no information that the receipt and/or possession of the firearm described in item 4 of this form would place the transferee in violation of State or local law."

The general idea of the "CLEO signoff" (as it is most commonly referred to) was that the local Sheriff or Chief of Police would know whether or not possession of certain types of firearm was legal in your area, and also whether or not you were currently in trouble with the law. In many jurisdictions what it has turned into is a tool for local law enforcement to prohibit the ownership of these firearms (or at least make it more difficult.)

The best course of action is to obtain the partially completed Form 4 from your dealer, fill in the remaining information, and then make an appointment to see your Sheriff or Chief of Police. Generally it is best to go in person and while you don't have to wear your Sunday best, appearance is important. Be prepared to discuss why you want the item. One of the best reasons is investment. Briefly (there is more detail in the machine gun section of this site) machine guns seem to be steadily rising in value due to the fact that their numbers are limited by a manufacturing ban imposed in May of 1986. Any machine guns manufactured after 1986 can only be possessed by dealers and law enforcement/military. Since no more machine guns may be made for civilian ownership, supply is limited while demand continues to expand. Given this fixed supply and increasing demand, many people look at machine guns as collectible investments. Some CLEO's may object to signing for fear of liability. There has only ever been one case where a registered machine gun was used to commit a crime. Oddly enough the perpetrator was an off duty police officer. In the court case Searcy vs. Dayton, it was found that the CLEO incurred no liability by signing the form.
If your Sheriff or Chief of Police refuses to sign, there are other qualified individuals whose signatures are acceptable to the BATF. Those are: the District Attorney, head of the Highway Patrol, judges who preside over criminal cases in your area, and possibly others. Generally any law enforcement agency or criminal (as opposed to civil) judge who has authority over your place of residence should be acceptable to the BATF. If you have tried every person you can think of and still can't get a signature, then you may have only one option left. Incorporate.

Only "individuals" are required by law to have the law enforcement certification section filled out. Corporations and other legal entities may purchase NFA items without submitting photographs, fingerprints, and without the CLEO signoff. This exemption is frequently used by those who are unable to obtain a CLEO signoff in their area. Many people are already an officer of a corporation by virtue of being self-employed and therefore purchase the NFA item through their corporation as a business investment. Others will form a corporation for the express purpose of purchasing NFA items. Forming a corporation is easier than you may think. While you can do it yourself, for a very modest sum of money, you can have a professional do it for you. At that point the CLEO signoff becomes a moot point.

[wlcharm]

This is what Tenn. did. Lets see if we can get the same thing in OK!!!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/wlcharm/TennLaw.gif

[Robbo]

Good luck on getting a signoff in Tulsa County, I've tried with no luck. Let me know if you do though.

There's always Corp/Trust :D That's what I did. ~34 days box-box.

wlcharm: Wow! That's neat that TN did that! Wouldn't it be nice!

Rob

[wlcharm]

I sent a email to the ORA to see if they can get something going. When I get time I well send sonthing to my state rep.