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FlashoverTacticalFirearms
06-20-2009, 09:35 AM
Dear fellow OSA members,
I am sorry I have been out of the loop for the last four months. I am writing this now early in the morning because as the days progress and I think about posting I know that it would serve no purpose because it would probably get deleted because of all the "F Bombs!" I have had some crap going on in my personal life that started back in January and climaxed in April. These events included having to put my Grandmother who I take care of in a less than desirable "Geri-Psych" nursing home facility that constantly smells of urine and feces (it was the only one that would take her because of her mental health status.), followed by my sister being diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma (Cancer), followed by my wife and I separating and ending our marriage (I am convinced that she is a manic depressive aka bi-polar), and then the death of one of my true childhood friends of 30+ years. The culmination of all of these factors has overwhelmed me to say the least to the point that it has drained me of all energy and willpower. I have a 1 year old daughter that I keep when I am not at work and that takes a lot of my time that I use to have to send/respond to emails, return phone calls, and etc. With that being said, here is my apology for not returning your repeated phone calls and emails, "I am sorry!" I will have you know that I have not been on OSA since late February/early March and have not read any of the concerns other members have written about me. It is not that I don't care, it's just that I have friends on OSA who have kept me posted and quite frankly I could not bring myself to read the posts because from what I understood was that they were mostly negative in nature and I knew that the only purpose it would serve would be to make me pissed and angry.
MEGA MACHINE SHOP
It seems there has been a lot of rumors and misconceptions about this. The only thing I will apologize here for is not being more assertive following up on our order. When I first started talking to Mega, I dealt directly with the man in charge, Brian Damis. He is the one who quoted me the prices, took my order, and the only person that I communicated with. It seems now he has a secretary by the name of Tonya that I knew nothing about until recently. Apparently Mega became slammed with orders that it overwhelmed Brian so they transferred this woman from another department to the firearms section to help manage Brian. Unfortunately it became plenty obvious to other members that this woman had no idea who I was and knew nothing about an order besides what other members have told her. For this I will not apologize for, that is on MEGA, however as I said above, I do apologize about not being more assertive with talking to a "live" person instead of leaving voice and email messages. As far as the order goes, I sent them the copies of the artwork (again) last week via an email and called and left a message with Tonya in which I did not get a reply as of yet.
I gave you my word that I would get this done and I have no other alternate motives but to do so. All I ask is that you do not call MEGA representing me and ask questions. All this has done so far is irritated them, irritated me, and caused nothing but chaos! All it takes for a virus to spread is one or two people spreading information whether it be on here or to MEGA. Like I already have stated, I am sorry for not being more assertive in the past, but the reason why I was not was because I know these companies are slammed with 1,000+ unit orders and I was trying to be as courteous to them as I could because I felt as if they were doing us a favor. I will continue to call them twice a week (Monday and Friday at the latest) to find out progress. I understand the worries that some may have no matter if you purchased 1 or 10 lowers. You will get the product that was promised.

Rock River

I have still not received the order of LPKs from them. At the time I posted that they should be in the following week (late February?), I was receiving back orders from them every other week and when I was on the phone with them, I asked, and that was what they told me, that "they should ship out by the end of next week." I spoke to them earlier this month/late May and they told me that yes indeed they still showed that order of LPKs on order and told me that they are not giving out shipping date estimations! At the time when I proposed doing this order, my only motive for it was that I was fed up with people trying to sell LPKs for $90 and up and was trying to offer the members an opportunity to obtain some at my cost with sales tax and S&H added in. I am looking at other avenues to obtain the LPKs (Possibly from DPMS, Doublestar, & etc) but have not found anything in concrete as of yet. That is not to say that come this week, this month RRA could ship the order, it's just that I am looking into alternatives.
I now regret ever offering to do any of this. In my recent absence from the board I have received "hate letters" in the mail, been accosted at gun shows with people trying to make me out to be a thief, voice mails that have caused my voice mailbox to become saturated to the point that others can't leave messages (which could be a good thing!), and numerous emails to the point my inbox routinely has 300+ unread messages (granted most are junk emails anyway) but hopefully you get my point. I know for a fact that some of my friends have posted information about me to let you all know I am still alive and well and have not skipped town. All that I would ask is that of certain members to quit trying to wear me out, you win, it works! What a lot of people take for granted is that this is a public forum. Anybody from anywhere can look at our forums and see what is being discussed. I know some of you are angry, but at what? Do you think I honestly sabotaged any of these group buys? Give me a break, some of the members that are involved in these buys are fellow public servants whether police or fire that I will be stuck working around until I retire. Some of the people are my true OSA "hommies." In closing I ask that nobody takes offense to anything I have voiced through this post. I understand how some of you all are frustrated because of the lack of "customer service" on my behalf. All I would ask is that you try to understand that I really haven't been vacationing in Mexico while this propaganda has been getting spread. I don't drink, do drugs, or have excessive gambling habits or addictions. I have purchased/sold many things on OSA without ever screwing anybody over. And further more, I don't ever remember adding a refund clause to either of these group buys, so to the person who turned me in to the Better Business Bureau, pretty cunning indeed! Way to welcome a bunch of firearms sympathetic people onto our board! May you suffer from irregular bowel habits and constipation for the rest of your life! (This is why I had to post this early, it has been close to an hour of typing and the nastiness is coming out!) Oh, and one more subject,

ROGGIO ARSENAL

I can not comment too much on this at this time per my attorney. The problem is a little deeper than appears on the surface. I will let you know about it in the future when it's over and I can discuss it.

Thanks to all who sent me PMs throughout late April sharing their condolences, much appreciated and not forgotten! Also, thanks to all that have been patient and understanding. This is not to single anybody out, but hopefully now everybody will have a chance to read it from the horse's (my) mouth. I will try to dissect my PM inbox and emails for the next couple of days and respond. Please share this with others who may not know that I posted this here.

Sincerely,
LW dba FTF

patrickcudd
06-20-2009, 09:45 AM
You might want to look at Yukon Glockers first post in the stickey and edit your post!

brennan
06-20-2009, 09:54 AM
Mega
I have talked to Mega and they said if they had you FFL and payment they could have shipped out the order 2 or 3 months ago and that was 2 weeks ago. The orders were ordered in the middle of November making it almost 8 months ago. When called Mega I did not have a problem talking with someone. As of you still can not give us a approximated date to have the lowers shipped. Can you show us something showing you still have the money or that you have paid Mega or something.

izahuh
06-20-2009, 11:07 AM
All we wanted was an update of any sorts from you Les, I find when people don't do, I do...whether it was as efficient as the originator or not you gotta get momentum built up again....if you SAY that we will get the product then I can still wait, but when you are a no show, well I don't trust any body that much.

saddlebum
06-20-2009, 11:30 AM
and his explanations above don't wash with what has allready been discovered.roggio has already been awarde a defalt judgement according to okla. supreme court .net and his mega explanation doesn't match what mega has told other members.I.E. the order was ready but never paid for

brennan
06-20-2009, 11:59 AM
I am giving Les until Wednesday to come up with some documentation stating that the order has been paid and when it will be shipped. Thursday I am starting legal action that I can.

okkaps
06-20-2009, 03:45 PM
As I have said before, everyone has issues and everyone has been extremely patient. I don't think anyone was asking too much from you on these deals, just a little update now and then from you personally. That's to be expected for any transaction in my opinion. As a member said before, it only takes a minute to post a short update. Just like everyone else, I was prepared to wait a while but I wouldn't dream of ignoring customers and friends for nearly 4 months. My friends would be angry at me for doing that to them. That leads me to your question. When you make statements like "I know some of you are angry, but at what?".... are you freakin kidding me? Do you really not know why people are angry? Maybe you need to read ALL of the postings but to save time I'll paraphrase for you:

Members want their money or their products and don't want to be ignored any longer!

If I made a customer or customers wait this long for a product and ignored their emails, phone calls, messages etc., I would gladly give them a refund with an immeditae apology personally and individually. The hate mail you mentioned is out of line but then again I'm not out thousands of dollars either.

I'd like to finally add that your statement below seals the deal for me and under the circumstances speaks to your character and business practices regarding this transaction:

"I don't ever remember adding a refund clause to either of these group buys."
(That translates to me as good luck getting your money or product and screw you as a customer!)

rhodesbe
06-20-2009, 05:14 PM
I didn't participate in this group buy, so my comments are fairly irrelevant, but that's some weak stuff right there.

Making a statement like 'My only crime is that I wasn't assertive enough' is like saying 'If I was more of a jerk this wouldn't happen.' Playing the victim.

'All this bad stuff happened, or else I would have gotten it done'. Playing the victim.

'I now regret ever offering to do this.' Playing the victim.

Not to be insensitive, but bad stuff happens to everyone. Really bad stuff to some. Evoking that bad stuff as an excuse for not being straight-forward and responsible is weak. It is intending to make those who are upset with you to feel bad for being upset. Weak.

You have a good opportunity here to do the right thing by everyone here, but all it appears you are doing is trying to buy more time. Quit making people feel bad for being angry with you, and reconcile your mess with haste. These people have been nothing but patient and compassionate toward you & your situation, and all you do in return is use that against them. Grow some balls rather than say 'I left a message and 'GIRL X' at Mega still hasn't returned my calls!!!'

Way to welcome a bunch of firearms sympathetic people onto our board! I think your lackluster and irresponsible approach to a group buy has done far more damage to OSA than those you victimized trying to leverage whatever justice they have left. You may not think you are a bad guy, but neither do most criminals.

Soulman
06-20-2009, 08:45 PM
First, let me say Les that I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. You and your family, along with your friend's family, will be in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there.

Now on to the dirty part of it.....

I didn't participate in the buy, but I understand and agree with most of the people that are upset. I know you have and had a ton of stuff going on in your life. So I don't doubt you don't have the time to respond to every email, call, and PM. However, not getting online and posting a single topic briefly explaining what's going on...........there's no excuse for that.

I hope this all works out in the end for everyone involved. I'm not casting stones, but it could have been handled better.

Once again, you and your family, along with your friend's family, are in my thoughts and prayers.

Rolando
06-20-2009, 11:08 PM
Where is the money?

Do you still have all the money we gave you?

Did you pay Mega yet?

YukonGlocker
06-20-2009, 11:24 PM
Where is the money?

Do you still have all the money we gave you?

Did you pay Mega yet?

Finally, there are some great questions.
1491 words...all with no mention of this...

YukonGlocker
06-20-2009, 11:31 PM
...I will have you know that I have not been on OSA since late February/early March...Either this is a lie, or somebody was using your account to PM me on June 2...It doesn't really matter tho', because you knew exactly what was going on by talking to other members.

saddlebum
06-22-2009, 06:00 PM
I've spoken with my contacts at the DA's office and they advise everyone get all your correspondence with Les and any documents IE cashed checks etc. they have already been looking into this matter and will post contact info in a few days if it looks like they will be able to file criminal charges. no promises but were tryin.

Cavedweller
06-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Saddlebum - This is my first rodeo on this type of thing, who do we give this info to?

761mph
06-22-2009, 10:27 PM
+1 please post any info you get that might help

izahuh
06-22-2009, 11:18 PM
and sticky a title we can use...how bout mega-gate

GC7
06-24-2009, 04:44 PM
Any update on this?

j-dubb
06-25-2009, 09:23 PM
I will ask again....

Where is the money?

Do you still have all the money we gave you?

Did you pay Mega yet?

copeje
07-03-2009, 02:26 PM
I will ask again....

Where is the money?

Do you still have all the money we gave you?

Did you pay Mega yet?

That's the million dollar question that is still being avoided!