Michael Brown -- Your thoughts?

[RDS]

Michael,

Which "send the slide forward" technique do you teach, slingshot or hand-over? And why.....?

Also, how do you address, deal with, a "mag slam-slide forward"? (When a mag is inserted,usually "vigorously", and the slide goes forward and chambers a round....)

Thanks!

[Michael Brown]

Michael,

Which "send the slide forward" technique do you teach, slingshot or hand-over? And why.....?

Also, how do you address, deal with, a "mag slam-slide forward"? (When a mag is inserted,usually "vigorously", and the slide goes forward and chambers a round....)

Thanks!

We teach hand over to keep commonality of training with malfunction clearing like the stovepipe.

Now if a student is extremely weak (we've only had one we needed to do this with) we'll compromise on the sling shot.

Regarding the slide slamming forward, we see it a lot on our department where officers aren't real well trained but in our private classes we don't have as much of a problem because of the positive manner in which we teach re-loading. It simply makes it less likely that it will happen.

Now if it does happen, I am of the opinion that you should re-rack the slide as the loss of a single round seems acceptable when balanced against the risk of a click instead of a bang.

With Glocks, I have yet to see anyone go into battery unchambered but with other designs it happens.

I just think its a good practice as I'd hate to be that one in a million case that no one ever thought would happen.

Michael Brown

[kgull85]

On a compact gun (3.5" barrel or less) how do you use the "hand over" technique with out blocking the round that is being extracted (if you had a jam)?

So you don't advocate using the "slide stop" as a "slide release"?

[NikatKimber]

first, is this from slide closed position, or like after the mag has been emptied, and the slide is locked back? good question, i have always used the slide stop as release. just tried the mag slam, and on the sig it will drop the slide and pick up a round 3 of 3, but didn't sound right. didn't know it would do that. i have recently tried the slingshot.

[Glock 'em down]

On a compact gun (3.5" barrel or less) how do you use the "hand over" technique with out blocking the round that is being extracted (if you had a jam)?

So you don't advocate using the "slide stop" as a "slide release"?

On most (if not all) compact pistols from the hammer/end of slide to the ejection port is "usually" the same length as it full sized counterparts...they only shorten the barrell. Which means your hand shouldn't cover the jammed round no more than if you were clearing a full size weapon. Which is also something to think about. I know "compact" guns hide better and feel better on the hip, but in an armed confrontation I want a HANDFULL OF GUN...meaning, I would rather have a full size gun rather than a compact. What is the old saying about your sidearm/carry weapon should be COMFORTING before it is COMFORTABLE. Furthermore, I was trained to NEVER EVER let your slide lock back, and to ALWAYS keep a round in the chamber while executing a reload, be it either combat/speed reload or a tactical reload...and Mike Brown probably teaches that method more often than the hand over or slingshot method...but when it happens - yes...I would use the hand over method and not the slingshot nor the slide stop. IMO the slide stop is on there for administrative purposes only! If anybody on this forum has never learned "tap/rack/bang" or "lock/strip/work" you really should...could save your ass someday!

[RDS]

Original post-question ref'd slide back, fresh magazine...

Slamming the mag is NOT a reliable way to chamber a round....not anywhere near 100% and a good chance you'll flip the top round up and out causing a live round stovepipe.

The Glock guy that did my former department's transition to Glock showed our instructors *wink* *wink* a "neat little trick" on the down-low --- the mag slam. B.S.!!!! ....

If you did not conciously and intentionally send the slide forward, rack it! And, if time and circumstance allow, press check. IMHO, FWIW

[Michael Brown]

Original post-question ref'd slide back, fresh magazine...

Slamming the mag is NOT a reliable way to chamber a round....not anywhere near 100% and a good chance you'll flip the top round up and out causing a live round stovepipe.

The Glock guy that did my former department's transition to Glock showed our instructors *wink* *wink* a "neat little trick" on the down-low --- the mag slam. B.S.!!!! ....

If you did not conciously and intentionally send the slide forward, rack it! And, if time and circumstance allow, press check. IMHO, FWIW

Right on.

Michael Brown

[Glock 'em down]

I press check mine everyday before I leave the house, and also dump the mag and check it as well.

[RDS]

Tactical reload is a luxury, it is not always an option. Good theory, sound tactic, and most definitely worth practicing.

With tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, fine motor skills down the dump....,,, manipulate two mags for a tactical reload while the S is still hitting the fan.

My bet is you might shoot your gun empty AND if another gun is going off real close... you might even keep on pulling the trigger on your empty pistol thinking it's yours that's firing.........

[Glock 'em down]

Tactical reload is a luxury, it is not always an option. Good theory, sound tactic, and most definitely worth practicing.

With tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, fine motor skills down the dump....,,, manipulate two mags for a tactical reload while the S is still hitting the fan.

My bet is you might shoot your gun empty AND if another gun is going off real close... you might even keep on pulling the trigger on your empty pistol thinking it's yours that's firing.........

That's true. PUCKER FACTOR trumps the ability to think and reason! But as they say...you fight like you train. Going out and shooting paper isn't even a beginning. The only time something gets repitious and sunk into your brain until it becomes almost second nature is when you do it so much that you are sick and friggin' tired of doing it and then you do it some more!!!