I hate waiting!!

[RobC]

I just submitted my latest set of Form 4s. This time for an SWR Trident 9. It will go on my Glock and Beretta for now. I have some other plans for it, like some sort of .38spl rifle (TC Contender or Marlin 1894C) and possibly an SMG sometime this year.

I have a G19 now and a KKM barrel waiting to be picked up at my dealer but I carry the 19 so I'm thinking of getting another Glock for a host. Perhaps a 17 or 34. Anyone suggest one over the other? Should I get another 19? Size does not really matter since it will be a range gun.

Now for the wait. The last suppressor took about three months to clear, word on the street is that they are down to about six weeks now.

Rob

[CAR-AR-M16]

I know what you mean about waiting. I had my dealer order me an Outback II back in September, but due to a paperwork snafu by Gemtech on the form 3 he only just received it. My form 4 for it goes in next week.

I also have a YHM Cobra due in to my dealer for my G17. I have a G17 and G19, but I will probably only use the Cobra on the G17 as I have read that they suppress better than the G19.

[RobC]

I have had good luck so far with the manufacturer to dealer transfers... My warlock took about a month or so but this one took less than a week. My last dealer to me transfer took about three months. It would be super sweet to get this one back back by the new year though I doubt it. I got the paperwork from the dealer last week and got my CLEO signoff and fingerprints today. Everything is in the mail now so I guess I will start stocking up on subsonic 9mm and wait for the dealer to call. I've also started shopping around for rifle cans. I'm thinking something in the AAC M4-2000 or 7.62SD flavor.

[Thorgrim]

Is it a huge hassle getting the permits required for a suppressor? How much does the permit cost and about how much would a supressor cost for a G17 or 21? Are they effective enough where you don't need earplug for extended shooting? How about durability/ lifespan? thanks for the info.

[RobC]

There is no permit per se, rather a one time tax paid for every device. (machine gun, suppressor, short barreled rifle, etc.) The tax paid to the ATF on a machine gun, suppressor, short barreled rifle or shotgun is $200.

You cut the ATF a check when you send in the paperwork, that's it. The device is yours after approval and there is no more paperwork until you sell if or in the case of machine guns or SBR/S, a form to fax to them when you transport it out of the state.

Getting approval is not really a hassle at all. Once you pick something out and pay for it the dealer does most of the paperwork. Your part of the actual paperwork takes about two minutes. Then you have to get two passport photos, get approval from the chief law enforcement officer for your area (signature on the forms), get fingerprinted, write a check, mail it off, then wait.

A good suppressor on most firearms is quite hearing safe without supplemental protection.

Centerfire suppressors don't really ever get that dirty and can be cleaned by immersion in solvents like Kroil, .22lr suppressors will eventually need servicing by the manufacturer unless you get one of the few that can be dissassembled. I have put thousands of rounds through mine and it sounds as good today as the day that I got it. If you put it on a full auto like a Norrell 10/22 you will fill it up with lead and carbon and it will eventually stop working. Reputable manufacturers will fix them. Quality suppressors should last as long as a firearm as long as you do not abuse them or do something stupid like running a .223 through a .22lr can.

Like firearms, suppressors have a wide range in costs. Low end .22 suppressors start around $250 and you can spend $2,000 on some high-end centerfire units. Most centerfire pistol cans run around $500 to $1,000.

It is addicting and so far been the best money that I have spent on guns.

For more information check out www.silencertests.com . The time that I have spent there has been bad news for my checkbook.

Rob

[wlcharm]

My last Form 4 took 30 workdays.
I am looking at the YHM Phantom 7.62 Sound Suppressor with the Q.D. ( http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/phantom762.html ) as my next can. I plan on putting it on my Rem. 700 Police .308. my AR, and my T/C. I also am looking at the new T.I. Quest as a .22 can ( http://www.tacticalinc.com/quest-stainless-steel-premiumbrlightweight-suppressor-p-552.html ) Rated For Moderate Monitored Full Auto Use. Plus you can clean it.

[CAR-AR-M16]

I have had good luck so far with the manufacturer to dealer transfers... My warlock took about a month or so but this one took less than a week. My last dealer to me transfer took about three months. It would be super sweet to get this one back back by the new year though I doubt it. I got the paperwork from the dealer last week and got my CLEO signoff and fingerprints today. Everything is in the mail now so I guess I will start stocking up on subsonic 9mm and wait for the dealer to call. I've also started shopping around for rifle cans. I'm thinking something in the AAC M4-2000 or 7.62SD flavor.

RobC,

I have an AAC M4-2000 and recommend it highly. It works great on my M16 and I also use it on my .22-250 Remington 700.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/CAR-AR-M16/M4-2000.jpg

[Nanotech9]

can you apply for the tax for a non-commercial-manufactured suppressor?... or is this a no-no?

[RobC]

You can build your own suppressor after getting the approval from the ATF. Instead of the form 4 you would use a form 1. You can also buy someone else's Form 1 suppressor but unless it is a same state transfer you will have to pay the tax twice. Once to tranfer to a dealer, then from the dealer to you.

Rob

[RobC]

I too was thinking about the merits of the .30 cal can over a dedicated .223. I like the versitility of it. I have fired an M4-2000 but not a 7.62SD or any of the YHM offerings. I would be interested to hear how they perform on .223s. Seems like the YHM may be a pretty good deal for the money.

[wlcharm]

I'm looking at the first of the year if the Firing Line in Wyandotte didnt get there milled AK receivers in. I want to get a SBR Yugo Krink made with a milled receiver.

[cowboyshooter21]

could anyone tell me the process for getting a class 3 license? age requirements? i'm looking into getting a can for my AR in the near future

thanks
Chris

[wlcharm]

could anyone tell me the process for getting a class 3 license? age requirements? i'm looking into getting a can for my AR in the near future

thanks
Chris

What do you mean by class 3 license? Class 3 license is the dealer! or do you want to by a can?

BUYING NFA ITEMS

What the hell is this NFA stuff? NFA stands for the National Firearms Act, which was passed by Congress in 1934. The NFA provides for the registration and tax of certain types of weapons: machine guns, silencers, short-barreled rifles, sawed-off shotguns and gadget guns (which are considered to be AOWs- Any Other Weapon. Obviously, the BFG-50 rifle is NOT an NFA weapon, though there are bills in Congress working to change that). The popular story is that the NFA was passed to help curb the violence of the "Roaring '20s", brought about mostly because of Prohibition. Anyone who knows anything about the way our Federal Government works will realize that with the ending of Prohibition in 1933, something had to be done with all those Treasury agents, and enforcing a new batch of bogus laws was just the ticket. The $200 tax levied by the NFA ($5 for AOWs) was, in 1934, an incredibly large sum. Now it's mostly an annoyance. The bottom line is that yes, you can buy a machine gun, silencer, or other similarly evil weapon (that's a joke, of course...evil is not a trait which objects can possess), provided that you live in a state which allows them. You'll have to jump through a few hoops and pay the tax, but at least you can still buy this stuff. So here is a step-by step guide for buying an NFA item from Serbu Firearms, Inc.:

1) Make sure the item you want is legal in your state. Some states ban all NFA weapons, some ban just certain types.

2) Contact a local Class 3 dealer or Class 2 manufacturer and find out what needs to be done in your state in order to purchase an NFA item.

3) Make sure you can get a sign off. This is the major snag to buying an NFA item. To complete your BATF paperwork (BATF Form 4) which transfers the NFA item to you, you'll need the signature of a local law enforcement chief. Not just a street cop, but the Sheriff, State's Attorney, etc. Said person is not required to sign the form, and in many locations around the country, won't.

4) Form a corporation. This is a loophole which gets you around the sign off. Do this ONLY if you can't get a sign off. The down side is that there are many hassles associated with forming and maintaining a corporation. Another down side is that the corporation owns the guns, you don't.

5) Send money. Usually your local dealer charges a fee for handling the transfer.

6) Wait. The dealer-to-dealer paperwork usually takes at least 30 days, and we're usually backordered to the point where your dealer won't see a gun, silencer, whatever, for 45-60 days.

7) Rejoice when your gun comes in! Welcome to the restrictive, elite and fun world of NFA. Here in the U.S., we enjoy as a Constitutionally protected right something which most nations of the world have stripped from their subjects....uh....citizens. Be responsible and safe!

[CAR-AR-M16]

could anyone tell me the process for getting a class 3 license? age requirements? i'm looking into getting a can for my AR in the near future
thanks
Chris

Chris,

The info Wlcharm posted above is excellent. :thumb: The only thing I can add in responese to your original question is you must be 21.

[cowboyshooter21]

thanks a lot for the info guys. i guess i thought i had to get a license first to even be able to start buying cans. ex: like buying a hunting license so u can legally hunt, then having to buy a deer tag for every deer :smack: yeah, i figured it was 21... i guess i'll just have to wait til that magical birthday when all my dreams come true :thumb:

[wlcharm]

thanks a lot for the info guys. i guess i thought i had to get a license first to even be able to start buying cans. ex: like buying a hunting license so u can legally hunt, then having to buy a deer tag for every deer :smack: yeah, i figured it was 21... i guess i'll just have to wait til that magical birthday when all my dreams come true :thumb:

I also heard that the CLEO in Tulsa can be a pain!!!!!!!!!

[cowboyshooter21]

that sucks :( well i'm moving to stillwater to go to school next year and i'll be living there when i turn 21 so maybe the one down there will be easier :contract:

[RobC]

The chief in stillwater signed off on two suppressors for me. However, I just got some software to set up a trust for my next two transfers. Hopefully I will submit those within a week or two.

[cowboyshooter21]

that makes me feel better :thumb: don't you have to come up with a good reason for having a can before the CLEO will sign off on it? if so, what are some good "excuses" you have used

[RobC]

"Any lawful purpose" is what I have always used on the Form 4. He really has never questioned me about my reason for wanting them.

[cowboyshooter21]

nice. well when i turn 21 and get my first (and definately not last) can and i'm in stilly we'll have to go tear it up at the range (quietly)

[RobC]

Just say when.

[NikatKimber]

I would assume you're going to OSU cowboyshooter21. If so, that's where I am now. We'll have to meet sometime, and maybe hit the range.

[cowboyshooter21]

yes sir that is correct! i'm moving up there this fall and getting a house with two other buddies. you'll have to come party w/ us. yeah and you'll definately have to show me some places to shoot down there cuz i'm sure i'll be needing to relieve some college stress. :thumb: are there a bunch of people u go shooting with down there?

[wlcharm]

You know cowboyshooter21 it is the law you can't have just one NFA toy!!!!!!
So you might start looking at getting a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th one!!!!!!
:rollingla

[cowboyshooter21]

haha thanks wlcharm!!! i'm just a law-abiding citizen so i guess i'll just have to do what's right :selfangel i don't wanna break the law or anything.....and i'll definately be asking for some advice on what to get when that time rolls around :thumb:

[NikatKimber]

I haven't gone shooting around there yet, I have a membership at a range at home, and just go there on weekends when I want to shoot. Mostly because I don't have anyone to shoot with up at OSU. I hate shooting by myself. Will you be a freshman, or transferring?

[cowboyshooter21]

i'll be going in as a sophomore because i've been taking classes here at TCC. are there any good ranges up there? i would definately be your shooting buddy cuz i like to shoot a lot.

[RobC]

Well, my latest form 4 was approved yesterday. Now they need to hurry up and mail the paperwork to my dealer. I want my can!!