Snubby Match....who's in ? [Archive]

David E

12-18-2006, 01:35 PM

Another thread brought up the possibility for a Snubby Match.

Ok, they said "J-Frame" match. (or side-shoot)

First, WHO WOULD SHOOT ONE? (not the "hey, that sounds cool, tell me how it went" guy, but who would actually show up and SHOOT it ?

Second, shall we limit it ONLY to J-frames? If so, 2.25" barrels or shorter only?

There seem to be a lotta folks that carry/own different brands of snubbies, like a Ruger SP-101, etc. Would it be wise to shut those folks out?

Third, limitations on the gun....5 shot only ? Or would Colt Detective Specials be ok?

I propose ANY brand snubby, max barrel length of 2.25", frame size no larger than the Cold Detective Special (NO K-frames!) no adjustable sights.

One speedloader or speedstrip would complete any course of fire, which would not have more than 10 rds total per string or stage.

Give me your thoughts and input and I will contact Lewis at H&H about holding one soon. :)

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Nanotech9

12-18-2006, 01:38 PM

how soon?

I would consider buying a snubby just for this.

pstmstr

12-18-2006, 02:03 PM

I'm in as long as it's not the weekend of the 20th. Let's limit to snubbies of small frame, min caliber .38, revolver only, carried completely concealed. Do we want to allow laser's or not?

David E

12-18-2006, 03:11 PM

Nano, I could lend you one if you shoot factory ammo in it.

Mike, "small frame" being what? J-frame only, or to include SP-101's and Colt Detective Specials?

Lasers..........I'd say "sure," since I don't think they'd matter much in the stages I'm envisioning.....but maybe I'm wrong.....let's allow 'em and find out!

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eich

12-18-2006, 04:05 PM

""I propose ANY brand snubby, max barrel length of 2.25", frame size no larger than the Cold Detective Special (NO K-frames!) no adjustable sights.""

No K frames.....whada ya...a communist? I can't shoot my 66 3" any better than you guys can your J's. :lookaroun

pstmstr

12-18-2006, 04:08 PM

101's and detective specials would be fine, let's do it. Sounds like fun.

bulbboy

12-18-2006, 04:23 PM

what town?

J.P.

12-18-2006, 05:10 PM

that leaves me out.
My snubbies are all K-frames which is what I carry as a backup.
Normal carry would be w/ Comp 3 loaders in a competition pouch.

eich

12-18-2006, 05:16 PM

That's OK JP..I feel your pain. Maybe they need to have two classes...eh?

that leaves me out.
My snubbies are all K-frames which is what I carry as a backup.

bulbboy

12-18-2006, 05:47 PM

that leaves me out.
My snubbies are all K-frames which is what I carry as a backup.
Normal carry would be w/ Comp 3 loaders in a competition pouch.

why would they be excluded? are they that much bigger?

DrBaker

12-18-2006, 06:09 PM

No K frames.....whada ya...a communist? I can't shoot my 66 3" any better than you guys can your J's. :lookaroun

Don't listen to this guy. He doesn't do much other than put holes inside of holes.

ChrisC

12-18-2006, 06:13 PM

i think that would be pretty neet...

of course i dont have a olester for mine... just a pocket clip....

penman53

12-18-2006, 06:18 PM

Sounds good to me to but I also don't have a holster for mine, it fits fine in my pocket.

David E

12-18-2006, 06:34 PM

David E

12-18-2006, 06:37 PM

If holsters are a problem for some, perhaps we could keep this simple and have "on the table" or "in hand" starts.

The whole idea is to SHOOT them, not necessarily draw them.

I think drawing from a pocket at a match wouldn't be the most prudent thing to do.

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ChrisC

12-18-2006, 07:11 PM

me either....

sounds like a cool match...

J.P.

12-18-2006, 08:21 PM

As to frame size, why not allow the 3" N-frame 625's ?

For most, the whole point of a snubby is the compact size. A K-frame with 3" barrel isn't all that compact.

To ME, a K-frame, snubby or not (should 3" be considered 'snub nose?') is really a main fighting gun, not a back-up or pocket gun.

If there is enough interest in the larger K-frame, perhaps we could run two categories....

But, I started the thread to get input. Please keep it coming !

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Well,if someone carries a 3" N-frame I don't see a problem unless you don't consider 3" a snub.
I consider a snub, a snub.
I carry my 2.5" M19 as a backup to my G17 but hey,whatever.
J-frame only would be cool as well.

pstmstr

12-18-2006, 08:36 PM

Maybe not, but I doubt anyone will have it in their hand when they really need it

David E

12-18-2006, 10:12 PM

If it were completely up to me, I'd limit it to Colt Detective Special for size.

NO adjustable sights.

2.25" barrel max.

.38 Special minimum caliber.

Allowed brands: J-frames, Colt DS, Ruger SP-101, Charter Arms, Taurus, Rossi

On table or in hand starts. (since many don't have holsters and I want to keep it safe)

10 rds max per stage or string.

Speedloader or speed strip in pocket or on table.

Reason for having this match: FUN !

YukonGlocker

12-18-2006, 10:27 PM

Sounds like fun to me.

bulbboy

12-18-2006, 10:38 PM

I'd suck - but I'm game!

bulbboy

12-18-2006, 10:39 PM

I've got a couple - and I'm sure others would let people borrow theirs - so anyone could play

David E

12-18-2006, 10:55 PM

yes, I'd have some for loan if you don't have one.

Only need to shoot factory ammo in it. :)

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pstmstr

12-19-2006, 05:35 AM

Rick417

12-19-2006, 08:33 AM

I'd be interested if I could borrow a snubby.
Otherwise I'd have to use my Glock
http://glockmeister.com/images/grevl.jpg

sash

12-19-2006, 11:41 AM

Christopher and I are definitely in. I like the short barrel limit, too. If you allowed 3" barrels, I'd just use my 3" GP100, and that kind of defeats the purpose. I'd say anything from a short-barreled SP101 (NO 3 inchers) and smaller, holding 5 or 6 rounds. Staging the revolver on a table, or a briefcase, etc. would be fine. Speed strips, speedloaders, 2x2x2s, or a dump pouch for reloads, and a low round count.

Sounds like great fun to me. :thumb:

David E

12-19-2006, 12:31 PM

Let's do it soon, maybe the first Sunday of January? If we couldn't do it at H&H, Tom might let us do it as a side match to the IDPA match he has the first Sunday of every month at the Firing Pin. I've been wanting to go shoot that one and it might generate some more shooters for him as well.

I'll talk to Lewis. As vice president, I have some input at H&H. I think January would be a good time to do it for a variety of reasons. Obviously there would be no classifier.

I do not have input anywhere else, so if another range wants to hold one, then it would be subject to what they would allow, want to put on, set-up, etc.

Now, would you folks like an entire match for snubbies, or would a single stage consisting of 5-10 rds scratch that itch?

My vote would be to do the entire match geared around snubbies. Maybe call for an even 50 rds to be fired, so you can shoot the entire thing w/ one box of ammo.

Whattaya all think?

(again, if you don't have one, there would be some snubbies available for you)

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1911Sooner

12-19-2006, 03:39 PM

So would this be strickly for accuracy?

eich

12-19-2006, 04:44 PM

Don't listen to this guy. He doesn't do much other than put holes inside of holes.

Icsna there good Dr.. :nono1:

OK, OK, Iv'e got a couple 66 2 1/2" also. Oh...forgot...no K's.;)

pstmstr

12-19-2006, 06:16 PM

all snubby match would be great.

SGTLT

12-19-2006, 08:02 PM

I am willing to do a snuby match or side match, but I need a good head count of who would really show up, not just think it is a good idea. Ask your friends who might not read this web sight, and give me an idea of real head count. Would be the January match.

pstmstr

12-19-2006, 08:20 PM

Great, I started another thread with some tentative suggested rules and confirmed shooters. thanks. If it's ok, I'll track the number of shooters who promise to be there and give you the number.

David E

12-20-2006, 11:38 AM

So would this be strickly for accuracy?

Well, ANYONE can shoot fast if they're not worried about HITTING anything !

Of course it's about accuracy !!! And the guy who's the most accurate the fastest wins ! :D

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J.P.

12-20-2006, 06:29 PM

Well, ANYONE can shoot fast if they're not worried about HITTING anything !

Of course it's about accuracy !!! And the guy who's the most accurate the fastest wins ! :D

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I dunno....I have proven that you can actually miss fast enough to win. ;)

David E

12-20-2006, 06:56 PM

I dunno....I have proven that you can actually miss fast enough to win. ;)

If you had missed too many, you would not have won.

That you did win with a miss (or two?) simply proves your pond wasn't very big that day. :)

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NikatKimber

12-20-2006, 09:00 PM

when is the date for the Jan match? depends on school, but I would definately try to make this. where can i get speedloaders/strips for my SP101? I have a holster, just no reloader setup.

bulbboy

12-20-2006, 09:04 PM

I got some speedstrips from midway USA
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=243389

pstmstr

12-21-2006, 03:18 AM

Jan 7th, about 6 pm, H&H, Outdoor America, Sportsman Warehouse carry HKS speedloaders, I'm not sure if they have the right model in stock for you're Ruger. 2.25 inches is max barrel length allowed in this match. I've got another thread going for confirmed shooters so we can get a head count. Hope to see you there.

J.P.

12-21-2006, 05:23 AM

That you did win with a miss (or two?) simply proves your pond wasn't very big that day. :)

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No, it just means that I'm goddam electric!

MarkV

12-21-2006, 06:25 AM

Team Spray & Pray

That's awsome. :sweat:

David E

12-21-2006, 11:44 AM

The SECOND Sunday in January is the 14th.........not the 7th. :)

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NikatKimber

12-21-2006, 02:16 PM

OK, so is it the 14th or the 7th???? That would be vital info!! lol!

how long would it take to get stuff from midway? would I have it in time for the match?

SGTLT

12-21-2006, 02:23 PM

The match is on the second SUNDAY of the month whatever date that is.

NikatKimber

12-21-2006, 02:25 PM

ok thanks!

which is preferable? speedloaders or speedstrips?

sash

12-21-2006, 03:17 PM

ok thanks!

which is preferable? speedloaders or speedstrips?

Speedloaders will almost always be faster.

MarkV

12-21-2006, 03:22 PM

NikatKimber I think you may be confused on the dates. Or I could just not be fallowing the conversation very well. They are having the Snubby match on the 7th and the regular USPSA match on the 2nd Sunday of the month which it the 14 of Jan.

NikatKimber

12-21-2006, 03:41 PM

hmm...
I answered my own question about eligibility, I can compete in one match as a non member, but to compete in more I need to be a member. Which means if i like it... lol! which really isn't in question!

MarkV

12-21-2006, 03:48 PM

You don't need to be a member to compete in any of the matches at H&H. I think it's only $40 a year to join the USPSA though.

NikatKimber

12-21-2006, 04:05 PM

cool

OK, we need to know specifically, are the snubby match and regular match on the same day? either way, when are they?

MarkV

12-21-2006, 04:16 PM

This is a first for me. I'm quoting myself. :D It's supposed to read which is the 14th of Jan though.

NikatKimber I think you may be confused on the dates. Or I could just not be fallowing the conversation very well. They are having the Snubby match on the 7th and the regular USPSA match on the 2nd Sunday of the month which it the 14 of Jan.

David E

12-21-2006, 05:45 PM

There is NO IPSC MATCH at H&H on the FIRST Sunday....never has been and it's never been suggested.

The ONLY IPSC match will be the SNUBBY Match on January 14th, and that is totally dependent upon how many people commit to shooting it.

Hope that clears it up.

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pstmstr

12-21-2006, 05:52 PM

my mistake on the 7th I think, the 2nd Sunday is the 14th. Sorry about that.

MarkV

12-21-2006, 07:22 PM

chicane

12-21-2006, 08:53 PM

I thought Lewis said this was seperate? So there will not be a USPSA match at H&H in January? Man... Thats not cool... I wanted to shoot my limited gun again.

pstmstr

12-21-2006, 09:35 PM

I think that's still undecided depending on how many shooters are interested in the snubby shoot as to whether it's a side match or what. Like I said, David E and Lewis are the experts in that area. Do you carry that Limited gun every day? :) Just kidding, I think shooting snubbies only at least part of the match would be fun and something different. You guys are welcome to shoot mine if you bring factory ammo.

chicane

12-21-2006, 10:07 PM

No, I carry a G30, And I'd be glad to shoot it in the snubbie match! lol

David E

12-21-2006, 10:30 PM

Turnout is key.

If 20 people want to shoot Snubbies, then it will be an all-snubby match.

That said, if you want to shoot it w/ your regular gun, you can, it just won't be scored as part of the snubby match.

If 10 people or less want to do it, maybe we'll just have one or two stages after the main IPSC match instead, requiring 20 or 25 rds instead of the 50 it would take for a full snubby match.

Another possibility is that we hold our regular IPSC match, but have it designed to run pretty fast. Then, for another match fee, maybe $10 if you shot the IPSC match, $15 if you only shoot the snubby match, we'd have 4 stages for snubbies ONLY.

Now, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying here. It's all subject to STATED INTEREST and TURNOUT, so nothing is set in concrete yet.

I refer you back to one of the main reasons for holding an all snubby match: FUN !

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