http://www.okshooters.com/forums Oklahoma State Firearms Community, Professional, Amateur, Sporting, and for-fun shooters. Supporting Concealed Carry and issues in Oklahoma. Discussion Forums and Oklahoma Resources. en Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:00:08 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.okshooters.com/forums http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98738&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:56:29 GMT Excellent transaction with TallPrairie. Thanks again. Excellent transaction with TallPrairie. Thanks again. ]]> Member Feedback 348 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98738 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98737&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:45:58 GMT Like the title says Im looking for a dog groomer in the Edmond, NWOKC area. My 2yr old Aussie is starting to look a little shaggy. Thanks Image: http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/bkoenke/Abby/062.jpg Like the title says Im looking for a dog groomer in the Edmond, NWOKC area. My 2yr old Aussie is starting to look a little shaggy.
Thanks

]]> General Discussions dieseltech09 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98737 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98736&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:44:52 GMT This is not "new news," and some of you may have already seen it, but it bears repeating:

FEDS CONVICT TEXAN FOR SELLING A GUN TO ILLEGAL ALIEN WITH TEXAS DRIVERS LICENSE

In Federal District Court on July 20, 2010, the ATF won a conviction from an Austin jury that defies logic and reason. In a trial before Federal Judge Sam Sparks, government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.

The firearm transaction at issue occurred on January 16, 2010, at a gunshow at the North Austin Events Center, at 10601 N. Lamar Blvd., in Austin, Texas. Undercover ATF agents followed Mr. Huerta, his son, and another Hispanic male, Hipolito Aviles, around the "Texas Gunshow" that day, and claimed to observe Huertas transaction. Austin P.D. used Copelands case as the reason to close down the gunshow, leading to a protest by Austin residents in front of APD headquarters on January 25.

Mr. Copeland is a 56 year old Cedar Creek resident and Vietnam veteran who liked to buy, sell, and trade firearms as a hobby. On January 16, however, he had the misfortune to sell a handgun to Leonel Huerta Sr., who spoke both English and Spanish. Huerta Sr. negotiated his purchase from Copeland in English, showing Copeland his Texas Drivers License. At Copelands trial Huerta admitted on the witness stand, that he is in the country illegally, (Huerta Sr. had previously admitted this fact to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Leo Buentello). ATF Agent Shawn Kang claimed he saw Huerta later hand off the gun to Aviles. Despite these admissions, Huerta Sr. was never arrested, charged, or deported. Instead, his presence at the gunshow was used to entrap an American citizen into an unwitting violation of a federal gun control law. Huerta Sr., who is a resident of the City of Austin, appeared as a witness at the trial, admitted he was in the country illegally before federal prosecutors and a federal judge, yet he was allowed to leave the courtroom under his own power. To date Huerta Sr. has not been prosecuted for his purchase, possession, or disposition of the handgun he bought from Copeland, while Copeland is now a convicted felon.

"Instead of busting the illegal alien for buying, they bust the citizen for selling," commented Paul Velte, attorney and founder of Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, a gun-owners rights advocacy group from Austin. Velte asked, "who was in a better position to know the buyers immigration status, the buyer or the seller?" He also said, "What happened to Paul Copeland should enrage all Americans. The Federal Government is using illegal aliens to entrap citizens lawfully exercising their right to sell firearms. The illegal alien walks free, but the citizen gets convicted. The same government charged with controlling immigration is the one using illegal immigrants to attack its own citizens. Does this make any sense? It makes no sense unless the purpose is to discourage attendance at gunshows and frighten citizens from selling their firearms to other citizens."

Velte pointed out that "There is no way for a citizen to know who is here legally or not. In fact, under Austins sanctuary city policy, not even the police officer at the door of the gunshow was allowed to ask a persons immigration status, yet the average Texan inside the show is expected to assume that a person standing before them with a Texas drivers license is in the country illegally just because they look Mexican and speak Spanish." Velte noted that the federal governments lawsuit against Arizona was based on that very type of conduct: Concluding someone could be here illegally based on their looks or their language. Velte said gun owners in his group are outraged, and they want to know:

Why is the illegal alien who purchased the gun, Leonel Huerta Sr., still living in Austin?
Why does he still have a Texas Drivers license?
Why is ATF using illegal aliens to set up and convict American citizens?
What has he been promised for his cooperation?
Why has he not been prosecuted? He committed three distinct crimes: he purchased a firearm knowing he was an illegal alien, he possessed the firearm, and he transferred the handgun to another illegal alien (Hippolito Aviles, who was convicted and given time served on June 30, 2010).
Why has Huerta Sr. not been deported?
Judge Sparks sentenced Copeland on August 27 to six months confinement and 24 months of probation, and called Copeland "a liar" for not admitting guilt. ATF confiscated Copelands entire gun collection and initiated forfeiture proceedings. Copeland was also fired from his job due to the indictment, and he would have lost his home to foreclosure, if not for his family stepping in to pay his mortgage while he serves his sentence. ]]> General Discussions ldp4570 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98736 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98735&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:23:25 GMT Like the title says, I am looking for a vehicle that is in good mechanical condition that runs good to drive back and forth to work so it needs to get good gas mileage.

A few conditions are that I would like are:
1) for it to run good so I don't have to put any money into it
2) the a/c and heat work
3) gets good gas mileage
4) prefer 4 door to get the kid in and out of easier but will consider 2 door

I have about $1,200 to spend on this so let me know what you have. I really appreciate the help. ]]> WTB Classifieds (Wanting to Buy) stewartglock http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98735 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98734&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:19:06 GMT I should have started this earlier in the week, but here it is anyway.

Here are the rules.


- Pick one college FBS team per week
- The team you pick MUST BE UNDEFEATED
- Once you pick a team you MAY NOT PICK THEM AGAIN
- If your pick loses you're out
- If you don't pick you're out
- If you wait too long, and SATURDAY games have kicked off you're OUT
- If you pick teams that play Wed., Thu., or Fri. those picks have to be made before that game kicks off
- Last player standing wins
- Picks must be posted in that weeks thread
- you can not PM your picks
- you can not create a new thread to post your pick
- Managing your picks is part of the game. I will not tell you who you have picked.


Post your week 1 picks in this thread.



I'll start.
Texas A&M ]]> General Discussions jmtgsx http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98734 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98733&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:56:35 GMT looking for wood stock for mini 14. laminate or walnut depending on price and condition. will be out of town this weekend but you can call me three 7 zero-4 four 5 six thanks darren looking for wood stock for mini 14. laminate or walnut depending on price and condition. will be out of town this weekend but you can call me
three 7 zero-4 four 5 six
thanks darren ]]> WTB Classifieds (Wanting to Buy) dlbleak http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98733 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98732&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:56:18 GMT Once shot Shells. Sorry for the bad description. Mods, please edit it to say shells if you don't mind.

So I took my son out Dove hunting with me yesterday and the day before. His first trip to the field and he had a blast. He also took to picking up all the spent shells cause he grandpa told him he can sell them. He has 60-20Guage Shells and 50-12Guage. I know it's not a lot but it help grow his entrepreneurial spirit if someone Would buy them from him. I don't even know how much they are worth so, shoot us an offer, I'm not expecting much. We live in east Moore so Moore, south OKC or Norman are good for meeting FTF. ]]> Classifieds frankos72 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98732 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98731&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:51:11 GMT I have a good friend at church who got the axe, and is looking for a hardware/software support position. Primarily Windows.

He's mid-level, has over 5yrs experience, A+, etc. Looking for something in the $40-49K annual range.
He's good people, I'd trust him with anything of mine.

If you know of anything just let me know and I'll put you in touch with him!


Thank you in advance OSA ]]> General Discussions LightningCrash http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98731 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98730&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:46:55 GMT Want to buy S&W Model 18 .22. Let me know how much and email me pics.
Thanks. ]]> WTB Classifieds (Wanting to Buy) zznickel http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98730 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98729&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:40:16 GMT Looks like he was cleared after the investigation. http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-police-officer-cleared-in-fatal-crash/article/3491200 Looks like he was cleared after the investigation.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-poli...rticle/3491200 ]]> General Discussions man of many calibers http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98729 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98728&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:37:49 GMT I think it's in Langley, range is on Grand Land. Does anyone know how to contact these folks? I like to get the info on joining ]]> Gun Club/Range Talk TRLail http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98728 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98727&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:27:43 GMT Im almost ready to pull the trigger on this light...http://www.fenixoutfitters.com/fenix-tk12-r5-version-215 can anyone else recommend something with around the same specs maybe a little cheaper:anyone:? Anyone know of any problems/issues with this light? Any experience buying from Fenix... Im almost ready to pull the trigger on this light...http://www.fenixoutfitters.com/fenix...r5-version-215

can anyone else recommend something with around the same specs maybe a little cheaper:anyone:? Anyone know of any problems/issues with this light? Any experience buying from Fenix outfitters? ]]> General Discussions Lithiumokc http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98727 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98726&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:36:30 GMT Had a good face to face with tumbler. sold me a great scope for an awsome price! Was in great shape and will be put to use soon! Thanks tumbler! Had a good face to face with tumbler. sold me a great scope for an awsome price! Was in great shape and will be put to use soon! Thanks tumbler! ]]> Member Feedback Seadog http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98726 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98725&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:01:58 GMT My son had her as a teacher last year, and only meeting her once I got the feeling she had a dark side to her. http://mcalesternews.com/local/x955425024/Arrested-coach-teacher-accused-in-neighbor-disputes My son had her as a teacher last year, and only meeting her once I got the feeling she had a dark side to her.

http://mcalesternews.com/local/x9554...ghbor-disputes ]]> General Discussions ldp4570 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98725 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98724&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:30:30 GMT How many lists will you be on when the black shrits come for you ? fomer/current Military. Gun owner. CCW permit. republican. How many lists will you be on when the black shrits come for you ?

fomer/current Military.

Gun owner.

CCW permit.

republican.

College education.

voter.

fraternal group member(masons,elk,moose,koc)

and any thing else that mit single you out for a trip to the reeducation camps. ]]> General Discussions Shriner http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98724 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98723&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:42:53 GMT H & R GREENWING SPECIAL – 20ga. 3” Mod., 26 in. barrel, high polished blue frame, walnut stained pistol grip hardwood stock, semi-beavertail forearm, hard rubber buttplate, gold trigger, gold markings, short 13”LOP, 5 lbs.
Great gun for a beginner youth. Perfect condition and less than 10 rounds fired. $175.00

FTF Tulsa area



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Uploaded with ImageShack.us ]]> Classifieds Oldtimer http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98723 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98722&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:38:18 GMT http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec10/guns_09-02.html REPORT AIR DATE: Sept. 2, 2010 *Effect of Court Decisions on Guns Remains Murky in California* Spencer Michels http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j...uns_09-02.html


REPORT AIR DATE: Sept. 2, 2010
Effect of Court Decisions on Guns Remains Murky in California
Spencer Michels ]]> RugersGR8 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98722 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98721&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:52:19 GMT Also an argument against letting women drive, ever.

But in all seriousness, a friend of my girlfriend sent this around. I don't know her reasoning behind it, but it's pretty fixating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ek-j...layer_embedded ]]> General Discussions ewheeley http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98721 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98720&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:21:26 GMT Image: http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy13/white92coupe/172-Copy.jpg Image: http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy13/white92coupe/171-Copy.jpg Image: http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy13/white92coupe/169-Copy.jpg Image: http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy13/white92coupe/168-Copy.jpg Image:... ]]> Photo Album white92coupe http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98720 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98719&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:07:31 GMT I think I have an addiction to CZ's now - I just purchased my 2nd one in less than 4 days...


HELPPPPPP


What are your 2 cents on CZ's?

Everything I read seems to be very positive - the only negative I see is the trigger's usually need a tad work (that is what Angus is around for) and the slides don't have a lot of surface area.

Brandon ]]> Handgun General Discussion bsdubois00 http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98719