Syria about to get real ugly

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dennishoddy

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So, in sixty days the Seran will expire and have to be destroyed? Why will it have to be destroyed? Will it suddenly become inert? If it's inert will it become less lethal than advertised? This is from Fox News?

If NPR reported it, would you take it as the truth?

and shelf life

The most important chemical reactions of phosphoryl halides is the hydrolysis of the bond between phosphorus and the fluoride. This P-F bond is easily broken by nucleophilic agents, such as water and hydroxide. At high pH, sarin decomposes rapidly to nontoxic phosphonic acid derivatives.[10][11]

Sarin degrades after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life can be shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA, some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks, owing mostly to impure precursors.[12] The persistence of sarin can be extended through the addition of certain oils or petroleum products.

Its otherwise short shelf life can be extended by increasing the purity of the precursor and intermediates and incorporating stabilizers such as tributylamine. In some formulations, tributylamine is replaced by diisopropylcarbodiimide (DIC), allowing sarin to be stored in aluminium casings. In binary chemical weapons, the two precursors are stored separately in the same shell and mixed to form the agent immediately before or when the shell is in flight. This approach has the dual benefit of solving the stability issue and increasing the safety of sarin munitions.

Its like materials that produce radiation. It has a half life. They should have a mixture that includes twinky's so its shelf life is infinite.
 

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Sarin degrades after a period of several weeks to several months.

Its like materials that produce radiation. It has a half life. They should have a mixture that includes twinky's so its shelf life is infinite.
This.

And I found it absolutely hysterical someone above was correcting the spelling of sarin and the correction was even wrong. Priceless!
 

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The Syrian situation is already really ugly.

The government is bombing rebel-controlled areas without much regard for civilian collateral damage. There's video evidence on YouTube, or at least there was. Wounded and dead kids being pulled out of shelled buildings and so forth.

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I agree with this. I just worry about innocent civilians caught-up in this mess. When I think of the US, I think with great power comes great responsibility.

I'm kind of torn on this. We really can't afford more wars. However, I think that part of being a Shining Beacon of Democracy is lending a hand when people are oppressed like this.
 

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If NPR reported it, would you take it as the truth?

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The most important chemical reactions of phosphoryl halides is the hydrolysis of the bond between phosphorus and the fluoride. This P-F bond is easily broken by nucleophilic agents, such as water and hydroxide. At high pH, sarin decomposes rapidly to nontoxic phosphonic acid derivatives.[10][11]

Sarin degrades after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life can be shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA, some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks, owing mostly to impure precursors.[12] The persistence of sarin can be extended through the addition of certain oils or petroleum products.

Its otherwise short shelf life can be extended by increasing the purity of the precursor and intermediates and incorporating stabilizers such as tributylamine. In some formulations, tributylamine is replaced by diisopropylcarbodiimide (DIC), allowing sarin to be stored in aluminium casings. In binary chemical weapons, the two precursors are stored separately in the same shell and mixed to form the agent immediately before or when the shell is in flight. This approach has the dual benefit of solving the stability issue and increasing the safety of sarin munitions.

As far as I can see the sixty day window is only popping up in the Fox story (so far)
Maybe its just the language that I have trouble with. If it isn't used in sixty days it'll have to be destroyed?
Why destroyed? If it's rendered harmless in sixty days why not just dump it out in the street?
 

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SoS Clinton says "There will be consequences". What does that mean?

Drone strikes? Intervention? Trials at the Hague? .... Triple fines on overdue books at the library? :scratch:
 

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She'll sell 'em the standard "Oppressive Dictator Value Package."

Build a NATO coalition to enforce a No-Fly Zone and haphazardly bomb some government tanks.

No troops on the ground, no muss no fuss. Bada-bing bada-boom. Everyone's home by Christmas.
 

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Weren't there contradictions regarding WMD's in Iraq?

I seem to have some hazy memories about that.

I seem to have memories of Bush playing tiddlywinks with the UN and bitching about WMDs for about 6 months before going in. And hearing reports rumors of trucks going into where and coming back unloaded? Oh yeah, it was Syria. That's what it was.
 

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