I didn't say it was a right, just that it's the right thing to do. The golden rule, and all that, because we can and should.
well saidSorry for the late reply, i work weekends.
I don't know if i 'deserve' **** from the government, the government represents all of us. It's a team effort.
Also, it's not like the VA because with the VA, the provider is owned and operated by the government. Medicare doesn't work that way.
The thing about all this is that most the folks who make up a lot of healthcare expenses are the people with serious recurring problems. for folks with congenital or chronic problems, it's not a matter of 'preparing for their own future'.
The funny thing is, because of the Emergency medical treatment act of 1986, hospitals have to accept patients regardless of ability to pay and absorb the costs. So, instead of getting much cheaper preventative care, they wait until it becomes an emergency and go to the hospital for something that would have been taken care of by a physician if they had the health insurance to afford it. This ends up costing a lot more money to treat and clogs up our emergency rooms.
In the end, you have to pay for their healthcare anyway. Ever wonder why the hospital costs in the U.S. are the highest in the world? ever wonder why aspirin is like 50 bucks in a hospital? Because they shift that cost onto the consumer. Do you suggest we should just refuse them unless they can pay, and let them die on the streets? I guess if it's slower and less visible it's acceptable.
It's all fine and dandy to blame people for not having health insurance, but at the end of the day we all have to pay for it anyway. It just costs even more and it costs lives, too.
You complain about not wanting to pay for someone elses healthcare, but it would actually end up costing you less than your premiums/copay does now.
Healthcare is a human right and a necessity, not a ****ing Obama phone.
There are waiting times in Canada for non-life threatening problems. Depending on how bad it is and what province you're in.
Most canadians who go south of the border do it for non-life threatening issues or because they're misguided about the quality of American care.
but the facts simply do not back them up.
See above.
As far as a proposition on how to pay for it -- it would take about ~500 dollars a year in healthcare premiums for the average family based on income. 500 dollars a year is pretty damn cheap for extensive medical care. It's not free. Everyone has to pay, unless they earn under a certain amount. In Canada it's more like ~120 a year.
15% for healthcare is absurdly high. What i don't think people understand is that we're overpaying for our healthcare.
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Social Security is important because no one can ever reach those funds. No matter what cataclysms befall you in life, you'll at least have that meager pension to survive on as an older person. I think that's something we should provide our elderly.
The funny thing is, Social Security doesn't save your money for when you're old. They're just taking your money and giving it to the old people now. When you get old, my social security payments will go to you and then when i get old the next generation will give me my pension. that's the social contract.
Also, what about when Annie was pregnant. No foodstamps to keep her baby alive? What about Medicaid she was no doubt provided? What about older people?
Do you guys remember what happened before Obamacare?
Want to remember the REAL ********? Pre-existing conditions,
That's right. If you manage to get a disease that cost too much money, you might not be able to get healthcare at all. You should have just been responsible and taken care of yourself.
If you had heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, type 2 diabetes, asthma or any other costly problem, they could simply deny you coverage. Or charge you such exorbitant rates that you could not afford it unless you were a millionaire. Guess you should have just prepared for the future and earned your millions in case you got sick.
Obamacare took care of that, we don't have Pre-existing conditions anymore. But when the healthcare companies ran the shots, that's what we had. If you were born with a pre-existing condition, you couldn't even get health insurance.
The problem with Health Insurance, that think ya'll aren't understanding, is that it is not a want. It is a need.
It's not an iphone, it's not a toyota or a big screen TV. You can't choose whether or not you have healthcare. You either have it, or you die. And the foolish folly of these misguided beliefs is that it ends up costing you more to deny it to others than it does to simply pony up the much cheaper healthcare premiums.
and the knowledge that if you get laid off, you won't have to pull out your own teeth or slowly die of cancer unable to work or afford the care that you deserve as a human being.
The Eagles song Get Over It perfectly describes the entitlement culture of today. No one should be ashamed or apologize for being white as the liberals would like for us to do. Anyone that has the desire and work ethic can make something of themselves. A lot of excuses out there and no many valid reasons. Our colleges are turning out snowflakes with degrees that are worthless for finding jobs. Listen to the words of the song and tell me I’m wrong.
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Tristan, you like so many single payer advocates don't understand how Medicare works. You can't all of the sudden just employ "medicare" for all..... why? because it's predicated upon paying into the system for decades, and even still it doesn't cover everything. You still pay a premium every month.
Healthcare is NOT a right....
Healthcare is NOT a right....
I understand where he's coming from, but i think there are several things wrong with his statements.
In Canada, if you have a serious, life threatening problem you will get treated immediately. wait times are only for surgeries that are not life-threatening.
The difference between a chair, bread and medical care is that two of those things are very cheap and require very little labour to produce. and the last thing requires significant education and experience.
Also, a good bit of the cost of that MRI is not because the evil government is regulating the market but because the machines cost 100 grand and they have to recoup those losses. and the technicians earn a **** ton of money.
Lasik Eye Surgery may be cheaper but he doesn't give much detail(sources) for it. There could be multiple reasons why Lasik eye surgery is cheaper that have little to do with the free market.
Also, getting eye surgery and obtaining life-saving medication or medical care are two different things. Healthcare is a lot more expensive and less available than food or a chair.
Capitalism is a great thing, and i'm a believer in regulated market capitalism. But the U.S. has far worse outcomes than in other countries with universal healthcare systems. Canada, Norway, UK...well pretty much every other developed country. Why aren't all these other countries ridden with debt since it cost so much for healthcare? Why does it in fact cost less than in the U.S.?
That's where his argument falls apart. He actually attacks banning pre-existing conditions. He seems to act like people choose to have pre-existing conditions. Is that what we want? to return to the days where kids born with diabetes or who have asthma can't get healthcare?
his arguments are simply not backed up by the fact that we spend more than every other country in the developed world in healthcare, have less coverage and worse outcomes.
Also, in countries where the government negotiates drug prices, the cost is a lot lower than in the U.S. Remember that sneaky Martin Shkreli character who raised the cost of his life-saving drug by a factor of 56!
Also, Ben Shapiro mentions the fact that many people go to Hospitals to receive medical care because they don't have insurance. But he blames it on illegal immigrants. Nice. Unfortunately, most the uninsured folks who go to the hospital to receive treatment are no doubt Americans.
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How is someone poor, live in sec 8 house and on welfare going to pay, for single payer healthcare ?
Did somebody hijack Tristan's account?
Or is one of those pesky alter ego pseudo accounts that can't be traced.
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