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    Default What is a good group with your bow and at what distance?

    I've been shooting my new to me bow the last few weeks in the back yard, working on accuracy and at 20 yards I feel fine, haven't stepped back any farther yet though. I figured its kind of like basketball practice, no need to scoot back farther until you can nail the easy ones.

    I was wondering how tight of group should you make and at what distance, before you go start slinging arrows in the woods.

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    What kind of groupings are you getting at 20 yards?

    I am not the most accurate with a bow or a rifle. I am pretty shaky. I usually shoot out to 40 yards and get get pretty decent groups this far. All within a 6-8 inch circle of each other. Is that good or bad?? I'm not sure its not the best. I am not using high end equipment either. I use a lower end Hoyt that is around 7-8 years old. I think my biggest problem is me not the equipment though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spooncg33 View Post
    I've been shooting my new to me bow the last few weeks in the back yard, working on accuracy and at 20 yards I feel fine, haven't stepped back any farther yet though. I figured its kind of like basketball practice, no need to scoot back farther until you can nail the easy ones.

    I was wondering how tight of group should you make and at what distance, before you go start slinging arrows in the woods.
    It all depends on the average shot you can make with your bow (Draw Weight is Key)
    You should have a minimum of 5-6" groups @45- 50 yards before it is really "Ethical" to hunt. If you are ringing in the 3-4" bell @ 30 then you should be fine.
    JMHO

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    Ok, probably opening a can of worms, but if you can keep them inside a pie plate at any distance, youre in good shape for deer. That said, I think a reasonable expectation is 1" out to 20 after that I would match the inches to the yardage. 3" at 30, 4" at 40 etc. If I can maintain that or better, I am happy which is good because thats about the best my eyes can do at those yardages. I also like to start at my longest pin which is 40 yards because that helps me keep the tired shakes to the shorter ranges. Good luck!

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    Remember, Archery Hunting isn't about HITTING the Deer it is about KILLING the Deer. If you take a bad shot on a game animal at 50 yards only to miss and injure it then you shouldn't be hunting. Let's strive to be Safe, Ethical Hunters.

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    Default Re: What is a good group with your bow and at what distance?

    Its great to be able to shoot groups out to 40 yards and such, but to be honest with you, I bet the majority of your shots you will get will be from 15-25 yards.. Set yourself up for shots like that when you set your stands..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamay6 View Post
    Ok, probably opening a can of worms, but if you can keep them inside a pie plate at any distance, youre in good shape for deer. That said, I think a reasonable expectation is 1" out to 20 after that I would match the inches to the yardage. 3" at 30, 4" at 40 etc. If I can maintain that or better, I am happy which is good because thats about the best my eyes can do at those yardages. I also like to start at my longest pin which is 40 yards because that helps me keep the tired shakes to the shorter ranges. Good luck!
    That is a good thought. I usually work the other way. But that makes alot of sense. I will try that way and see if that helps my practicing any.

    Another question while talking about practicing, usually how many shots a day or session does most people take? I have never really counted and shoot till my shoulder starts to feel it which usually isn't long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by APeterson View Post
    Remember, Archery Hunting isn't about HITTING the Deer it is about KILLING the Deer. If you take a bad shot on a game animal at 50 yards only to miss and injure it then you shouldn't be hunting. Let's strive to be Safe, Ethical Hunters.

    I agree which is why I wanted to make sure I am accurate enough to shoot at a deer. I hate watching deer or other game get shot with an arrow in the back leg, knowing they will suffer most likely before they expire.

    I have been shooting about a 4-6 inch group at 20 yards @65lb draw. I feel comfortable at that range, but standing in your backyard with peace of mind is a little different then when a deer walks in to your left and you have to turn and hit them accuareltly.

    I try to shoot at a few diff angles if possible, just bc you never know what shot will be presented to you.

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    My groups at 30 yards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brian89 View Post
    Its great to be able to shoot groups out to 40 yards and such, but to be honest with you, I bet the majority of your shots you will get will be from 15-25 yards.. Set yourself up for shots like that when you set your stands..
    Agreed. Also, regardless of accuracy at 40+ yards there is a much higher percentage of bad shots simply from deer getting a jump on the arrow.

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    Default Re: What is a good group with your bow and at what distance?

    Take the distance you can consistently put arrows in a kill zone sized target, and shave a bit off of it to take into account the variables shooting at a live animal brings into play. That's how close you want to get to your deer. If you see a deer, you should think "I'm very sure that I can make this shot" before you draw back. If you have serious doubts, the deer is outside your range.

    Quote Originally Posted by brian89 View Post
    Its great to be able to shoot groups out to 40 yards and such, but to be honest with you, I bet the majority of your shots you will get will be from 15-25 yards.. Set yourself up for shots like that when you set your stands..
    Yep, or closer. Most of my bow kills have been withing spitting distance, and most of my gun kills have been within bow range. I like to get close for a variety of reasons.

    I can hit a kill zone sized target at 35-40 yards consistently with my compound, but I rarely practice that far, and I won't take a shot over ~30 or so in the woods. Ideally I like them 12-20 yards when I send one their way.


    Quote Originally Posted by 79289Chase View Post
    Another question while talking about practicing, usually how many shots a day or session does most people take? I have never really counted and shoot till my shoulder starts to feel it which usually isn't long.
    Don't do that; you will hurt yourself. Just shoot a few arrows every session and call it quits. And make sure your poundage is not too high, and that you're drawing your bow correctly.
    Oh, it tasted so good though.

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    I shoot 4" at 10 yards with my recurve. I don't use blinds or stands and like to get very very close, and still managed to get string jumped last year.
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    Ridgehunter has a several good points. Its pretty late and I am not going to elaborate on all of them. But remember the farther you are from the deer, the more time the deer can move before your arrow gets there. Regardless of if it jumps or squats from the sound of the bow or just moves from natural urge. So at 30 yards if you are shooting a 6 inch group, and the deer squatted 4 inches at the sound, you could be quite low.

    Some things to be really watching when practicing: Form, Anchor Point, Release, Follow through, Don't tight grip the bow.

    Form-make sure you try and be as repetitive as you can. Hold the bow the same. All the other points are part of correct form.

    Anchor point-This depends on style of release used, if a release is used, but if you put your pointer finger knuckle at the base of your ear, make sure you do this every time. If you don't, it will vary impact. Some people use different variations of anchor point, and that is fine, just be consistent.

    Release-This also varies because of release style. But you shouldn't have to jerk to let your arrow fly, it should be a smooth fluid motion.

    Grip- I would rather call it HOLD. Because if you wrap your fingers around the bow to grip it, you are more likely to torque the bow. (turn it by bending the wrist) This will cause your arrows to impact right or left generally. Let the bow rest in the fork of your hand as you draw, keep your fingers loose and relaxed.

    Follow through-Upon release don't try and grip your bow quickly, don't jerk it down to see arrow hit. Let the bow rock forward and smoothly close your hand.

    Many many good archers, can't shoot groups at 20 yards without ruining fletchings, nocks, and sometimes arrows. Many have the same problem at 30 yards. I wouldn't be comfortable shooting at a deer without being able to group within 3.5 inches. Take your standard 16 oz solo cup, (you know the kind all the kids carry around at a keg party) hold the big end against your target and take a black magic marker and make circles. You can make a 1" solid colored circle in the middle for an aiming point. If you can consistently put an arrow in that 3.5" circle at a given yardage, you should be DEADLY on deer. That given, remember the farther out, the more time a deer has to react (MOVE) before arrow gets there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidgeHunter View Post
    Don't do that; you will hurt yourself. Just shoot a few arrows every session and call it quits. And make sure your poundage is not too high, and that you're drawing your bow correctly.
    I don't remember what exactly my poundage is set on. I want to say 55. Its pretty low and doesn't take long for my shoulder to start hurting since its kinda jacked anyways. I should have had surgery in high school and never did. Guess that's what baseball did for me.

    Its nice to get a refresher course on simple mechanics. I don't have anyone around to say hey that's good or bad. So to here some tips from more experienced people helps. Thanks for sharing all the tips, pointers and other general ideas guys.
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    Default Re: What is a good group with your bow and at what distance?

    to add to this thread and the overall thought process of preparing to hunt. Please be sure to test your broad heads and ensure that there are no adjustments that need to be made between your field points and broadheads. If you shoot fixed heads, then there is a good chance that you will need to tune them to hit with your field points.

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