Anti-Bullying Campaign is just propaganda

[SoonerATC]

Ironic...gay keynote speaker Dan Savage, founder of the "It Gets Better" anti-bullying movement, launched into a profanity laced tirade against the Bible during a high school journalism conference and called students who walked out on his tirade "pansy assed". I always knew that this movement wasn't about kids picking on the nerd in class...it's really just about ending the bullying of gays. Those on the left who claim to espouse "tolerance" only demonstrate it when its convenient for them. Dan Savage didn't seem to have any problem bullying the Christian students in the audience. Next time your kid comes home with a flyer or you see the President on TV with a public service message, remember this video.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...ian-teens.html

[HMFIC]

All that bullying mumbo jumbo they're preaching in school don't mean doodly-squat when you have a brain dead teacher like my son has. They could setoff claymores in her class and she'd dismiss it as "just playing".

[Cards81fan]

The anti-bullying campaign on the whole isn't propaganda, but Dan Savage sure is a tool; I'll give you that.

As HMFIC says, too many (not all, but too many) teachers/districts are so caught up not stepping on others' toes, that they don't even properly discipline true bullies. They're afraid of complaints, litigation, dipstick parents, etc. Or they just don't care.

[RidgeHunter]

The comment section of that article is something The Onion couldn't top. I can't stop reading.

[elwoodtrix]

[Jefpainthorse]

It used to the bully ended up on his back with a bloody lip... Once the good kids had enough of his BS.....

[aestus]

It used to the bully ended up on his back with a bloody lip... Once the good kids had enough of his BS.....

Unfortunately, in this day and age giving the bully a bloody lip will result in the good kid being ganged up on by 5 or 6 bullies in retaliation. Once you get up into the High School level, this sometimes means getting put in critical condition or being shot if the bullies are part of a gang.

I remember back in highschool, the key rule is that if you get into a fight you do it at school. It may lead you to gettting suspended, but there's a crowd watching and eventually teachers and on location cops will break it up. Getting into fights after school likely resulted in someone getting sent into the ER and nearly killed. This was back in the late 90's when everyone idolized gangs and suburban rich kids wanted to be a crip or a blood, rofl. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in school now.

[ArGyLe64]

I'm pretty much not into the whole "anti-bullying" thing. I wasn't a bully and I didn't get bullied. As soon as people like Lady Gaga and Obama get involved, I'm out. For all I care that Savage character and his followers can all go beat each other up and feel better about themselves.

[criticalbass]

I got bullied until a wheat harvest trip hardened me up. Put the hurt on a couple of them who immediately became best buds. It's not like that any more. It isn't a problem with an easy solution, and frankly I don't have a clue as to what we need to do. CB

[Danny Tanner]

My audio is screwed so I can't hear what he's saying, so I might not be justifying what he's saying, but I will justify his position on religion. Him being gay, he realizes that it's not a choice like Christians try to convince him it is. He's probably got a lot of built up hatred towards Christians, because even though he may not be Christian, he's still influenced by Christianity in a negative way. He cannot get married, he's oppressed by a majority of society, he's constantly told how he's going to hell for his "choices". I support him for fighting back against oppression, but without hearing his words I can't support any low-blows. I only hope he fights with the truth.

[soonersfan]

My audio is screwed so I can't hear what he's saying, so I might not be justifying what he's saying, but I will justify his position on religion. Him being gay, he realizes that it's not a choice like Christians try to convince him it is. He's probably got a lot of built up hatred towards Christians, because even though he may not be Christian, he's still influenced by Christianity in a negative way. He cannot get married, he's oppressed by a majority of society, he's constantly told how he's going to hell for his "choices". I support him for fighting back against oppression, but without hearing his words I can't support any low-blows. I only hope he fights with the truth.

Even as an atheist, I've always noticed you are respectful or tolerant if you will, of Christians. This guy is certainly entitled to his beliefs and we are all entitled to agree or disagree. The problem for me is that this was not a debate and this was not an appropriate forum for his comments. You can't justify your own bullying and negative stereotypes by stereotyping another group of people as bullies simply because they believe differently.

Here is what I don't get. Many of the people who scream the loudest about tolerance are not tolerant and this guy is no different with his stance on bullying. I am a Christian. Based on my interpretation of Scripture, I believe homosexuality is wrong. Do my beliefs make me intolerant? I don't believe the fact that I am not gay or don't have sex outside of my marriage make me better than anyone else. I believe I am right but not better. I also know that I don't have to give account for anyone else's actions but my own.

I have a few homosexuals that I have been friends with over the years, most of which are employees, several long-term. I have always treated them fairly, have promoted many and believe all would tell you that my personal beliefs have no bearing on how I treat or interact with them. I don't really associate the way I look at them with their sexuality, with the exception of a couple males who are pretty flamboyant. They're just people. I think they look at me the same way, just a person, not an anti-gay Christian. For me, I think this is the model of tolerance. In society as a whole though, I think the tolerance propaganda is completely hypocritical and one sided. I am actually in favor of tolerance, just not selective tolerance.

[mugsy]

My audio is screwed so I can't hear what he's saying, so I might not be justifying what he's saying, but I will justify his position on religion. Him being gay, he realizes that it's not a choice like Christians try to convince him it is. He's probably got a lot of built up hatred towards Christians, because even though he may not be Christian, he's still influenced by Christianity in a negative way. He cannot get married, he's oppressed by a majority of society, he's constantly told how he's going to hell for his "choices". I support him for fighting back against oppression, but without hearing his words I can't support any low-blows. I only hope he fights with the truth.

DT,

I don't support bullying, for any reason as it is simply mean spirited and hurtful both physically and mentally, and I support empowering teachers/administrators to deal with it in a way that now cannot. However, I don't accept that "Born gay - always that way" argument in general. There are some small percentage of people who are that way but there is right now an ongoing surge of, for want of a better term, "cultural gayness". It is a direct result of the development of a lionized and accepted gay sub-culture in America. Just as there were probably once many (and still are) cultural Christians there are, in fact, many cultural gays - people who are making a choice to live in a way that seems to offer group acceptance in a sub-culture that doesn't challenge them to rise above certain impulses they may feel. Among adults I suppose that is simply a choice of how to live and isn't very much my business. But it is especially and painfully most evident in children nowadays who through the help of their demented parents and heavy handed teachers are "recognizing" their gay sexuality at 8, 9, or 10 and being inculcated in certain school systems to believe that is normal and not a forced imprinting. What 8,9, or 10 year old has a true sexual identity that isn't being forced on them by some misguided adult?

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.

BTW - I will also throw in that the psychological profession is now so politically compromised on this question that any discussion of scholarship on this subject is wasted breath. The APA is no longer a professional scientific scholarly group rather it has become a political advocacy group for what ever special interests have captured it's attention and uses scholarship-like activities to buttress the position already determined to be correct.

[JB Books]

Every young man ought to learn to handle himself with his fists. If it were up to me, boxing would be taught in middle school.

[mugsy]

I think that the most common reaction of school administrators is to punish everyone involved in the same way and not even bother trying to determine who was in the right or the aggressor. I've spent my whole life as, essentially, a decision maker and I find the unwillingness to make decisions particularly cowardly on the part of people who are in charge - I mean what else are we paying them to do?

[elwoodtrix]

Every young man ought to learn to handle himself with his fists. If it were up to me, mma would be taught in middle school.

sorry, had to fix that for ya Books...