She signed it, fellas

[dennishoddy]

Remember when people use to have gun racks in the trucks?

Sure don't remember all the histerics being thought up here.

Yeah sure do. On school grounds at that.

[Cowman]

Ems is trained too not enter a scene unless it is deemed safe. Been that way for a long time. By the book anyway.

[Michael Brown]

Are you saying that there are EMT's out there that would allow an injured person to die rather than provide necessary medical aid just because the injured person had a firearm on them and no LEO was present to remove it?

Please. Tell me that's not what you're saying because if it is that's just seriously messed up - hell - messed up doesn't even begin to describe that - that's just evil! Any EMT so afraid of a gun that they would refuse to provide life saving care shouldn't be one.

While the irrantional fear of a gun is silly, it does not invalidate someone's skills as a medical professional.

They didn't get into it to deal with your self-defense/2A concerns, so it is best to allow them their personal beliefs as well.

My understanding is that the rationale is that an armed person, potentially in shock or incoherent, is a danger to the EMT and Paramdeic thus they wait for LE to secure the weapons. Now if an EMT or Paramedic feels comfortable securing a gun, I'm sure they will but it's not a criteria for being a medical professional.

Michael Brown

[HerkyBird]

'Bout time. In GA your carry permit was just that...a carry permit. Open or concealed was up to the individual. Military, LEO, firefighters, and DAs didn't require a permit to carry, either. Your ID is your permit. Also, your vehicle is considered an extension of your home in GA. No silly rules about how to store your firearm in your vehicle. I have to admit I was a little surprised when we moved here and noticed how restrictive some of OK's gun laws are.

[Werewolf]

While the irrantional fear of a gun is silly, it does not invalidate someone's skills as a medical professional.

They didn't get into it to deal with your self-defense/2A concerns, so it is best to allow them their personal beliefs as well.

My understanding is that the rationale is that an armed person, potentially in shock or incoherent, is a danger to the EMT and Paramdeic thus they wait for LE to secure the weapons. Now if an EMT or Paramedic feels comfortable securing a gun, I'm sure they will but it's not a criteria for being a medical professional.

Michael Brown

And if that armed person is one of your fellow Law Enforcement Officers it would be OK for the EMT to let them just bleed out rather then treat because no other LEO is there to disarm/remove the weapon?

I am not being argumentative nor facetious Mr. Brown. I am serious. Under identical circumstances except for who the armed person was would you feel the same?

[Cowman]

Ems Services will no doubt have to review their protocols when it comes to securing firearms. I would say in the above circumstance. If EMS can determine the gunfire is over and they
enter safely. I do not know anyone that would let the officer "bleed out. " There are legal issues that would have to be worked out. If a person is injured and wearing the firearm. Who will
take control of the weapon. And secure it if no Leo is around. We have safes on the truck. So after it is made safe. It could be put there. So the weapon can be returned to the owner.
When it hits the fan. If leo is around to take control. That is one less thing to deal with. When the Grim Reaper is around it gets real Western in the back of an Ambulance.

[TonyRumore]

At least now you'll be able to identify the complete dork wads.. They will be the ones standing around in Oklahoma Police Supply with their gun hanging out......trying to look ohhhh sooooo cool.

[Glocktogo]

Are you saying that there are EMT's out there that would allow an injured person to die rather than provide necessary medical aid just because the injured person had a firearm on them and no LEO was present to remove it?

Please. Tell me that's not what you're saying because if it is that's just seriously messed up - hell - messed up doesn't even begin to describe that - that's just evil! Any EMT so afraid of a gun that they would refuse to provide life saving care shouldn't be one.

This isn't universal and I'm not casting aspersions on EMT's. Some EMS provider agencies have policies in place that their EMT's aren't supposed to enter a scene until it's secure (if weapons are present at all). The first rule of emergency response is "don't become a victim". It doesn't matter whether you're dealing with guns or downed power lines or anhydrous ammonia, you can't help the dying and injured if you become a victim yourself. Further, you just became another person to triage, while simultaneously reducing the number of qualified 1st responders available to do so.

So, if you're involved in an accident or shooting and you need medical attention, secure your weapon if you can safely do so. Emphasis on the "safe" portion of that sentence. I hope this clears things up.

[MLR]

At least now you'll be able to identify the complete dork wads. They will be the ones standing around in Oklahoma Police Supply with their gun hanging out......trying to look ohhhh sooooo cool.

Why get so upset over what someone else is doing? If someone wants to hang around in front of the Cop shop it has no effect on my life.

Michael

[Danny Tanner]

At least now you'll be able to identify the complete dork wads..

This is the same remark the anti-gun crowd uses for anybody who owns firearms.

It's also the same remark the hippies use for anybody who has a 4x4 truck or a loud motorcycle.

It's a remark beyond ignorance and one of the last ones I expected to see here.

[J.P.]

I haven't said much on the topic of open carry but the possibility of being stopped for no good reason because I'm open carrying creates an idea. Would there not be a market for a holster that has a slot on the outside that you could slide your license in so that anyone around could see you are carrying legally? Or is that a bad idea? Just popped into my head and I'm sure theres a serious problem with it but it sounded good.

No man.....that's what "open Carry" badges are for.
I can't wait!!!

[kinggabby]

At least now you'll be able to identify the complete dork wads. They will be the ones standing around in Oklahoma Police Supply with their gun hanging out......trying to look ohhhh sooooo cool.

You mean I won't look cool?

[ArGyLe64]

Kinggabby, you already look cool. Any cooler and you'll need to start fist pumping.

[Michael Brown]

And if that armed person is one of your fellow Law Enforcement Officers it would be OK for the EMT to let them just bleed out rather then treat because no other LEO is there to disarm/remove the weapon?

I am not being argumentative nor facetious Mr. Brown. I am serious. Under identical circumstances except for who the armed person was would you feel the same?

It's not my job to tell them how to do their job.

As I said in the previous post, irrational fear of a gun is silly but it does not invalidate a person's skills as a medical professional.

Do I wish this wasn't so? Sure. However that doesn't change the issue.

All that said, it isn't much of a concern for me personally as the police beat EMSA to the scene every time in Tulsa.

I cannot speak for other locales but all the self-reliant rural folk don't need ambulances or cops anyway.

Michael Brown

[TonyRumore]

This is the same remark the anti-gun crowd uses for anybody who owns firearms.

It's also the same remark the hippies use for anybody who has a 4x4 truck or a loud motorcycle.

It's a remark beyond ignorance and one of the last ones I expected to see here.

Really????? So you think carrying your gun hanging out is a better idea than carrying it concealed? Grow up. Are you 12?

Tony Rumore
Tromix Corp

P.S. I support the new law for quite a few reasons, but having the imature ass clowns flaunt their hardware at Walmart is not one of them. Nothing good will come from that.