Will there be a run on gun and ammo purchases this November?

[cinco]

Unfortunately it is the perfect storm.

UN Small Arms Treaty, Presidential Election and the Dec. 21 Mayan Stuff.

People are getting concerned/paranoid depending on thier view.

Now add in the almost constant bombardment of "doomsday" shows on TV (Doomsday Preppers, Doomsday Bunkers, Falling Skies, Walking Dead, new show called Revolution (I think?) about emp/sun flare). Heck I even see a good amount of .gov sponsered preparedness commercials. The society is being saturated with this stuff.

As most mentioned, the run already started back before new years. XM855 has already gone up 25% in the last couple of months. Was going for around $400/k and last I saw in the latest uber goober CTD catalog was around $500/940ish rounds.

Likewise, I do anticpate new high level taxes being imposed on ammunition, etc.

[LightningCrash]

Question: Will there be a run on gun and ammo purchases this November?

Answer: Yes, by hoarders and prepers, and people wanting to make money off them.

Why should it wait till November? No matter how the election ends up in November, we get an anti-2A president come January.

I'm surprised they haven't started a run now.

[reddog1]

its not just political, let's not forget about social and economic breakdown, zombies, and 2012, end of the world!!

[rlongnt]

It's on. Hoard 'em if you find 'em!

1+

One thing I do remember is that after the last election when Wal-Mart had nothing in .223, .308, 9, 40 or 45 they always had .357 Sig on the shelf. I went out and picked up a .357 Sig barrel for my 229 as a result. They also had 7mm Rem Mag 243 etc. Just food for thought on non-traditional cals.

[reddog1]

I am not worried about the election.

http://www.okshooters.com/showthread...11#post1844811

[David2012]

The senate had to ratify any treaty by a 2/3 margin. I don't think any Rs or many Ds are willing to give up their seat for the sake of the UNs gun control desires.

I don't think Barry wants the fallout from pissing off the gun owners in this country. Political power would vanish over night.

As I understand it.. there are 3 types of Treaties recognized under the laws of the United States.. one is 'Sole Executive Treaties'.. and the President can sign one when congress is in a lame duck session.. then it goes into effect until the Congress voids / modifies it or the Supreme Court declares it uncostitutional. Until then, we are stuck with it.

Per Wikipedia-

In the United States, there are three types of treaty-related law:

Executive agreements
Congressional-executive agreements are made by the president or Congress. When made by Congress, a majority of both houses makes it binding much like regular legislation. While the constitution does not expressly state that these agreements are allowed, and constitutional scholars such as Laurence Tribe think they're unconstitutional, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld their validity.[citation needed]

Sole executive agreements are made by the president alone.

Treaties are formal written agreements specified by the Treaty Clause of the Constitution. The president makes a treaty with foreign powers, but then the proposed treaty must be ratified by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. For example, President Wilson proposed the Treaty of Versailles after World War I after consulting with allied powers, but this treaty was rejected by the U.S. Senate; as a result, the U.S. subsequently made separate agreements with different nations. While most international law has a broader interpretation of the term treaty, the U.S. sense of the term is more restricted. In Missouri v. Holland, the Supreme Court ruled that the power to make treaties under the U.S. Constitution is a power separate from the other enumerated powers of the federal government, and hence the federal government can use treaties to legislate in areas which would otherwise fall within the exclusive authority of the states.
International law in most nations considers all three of the above agreements as treaties. In most nations, treaty laws supersede domestic law. So if there's a conflict between a treaty obligation and a domestic law, then the treaty usually prevails.

In contrast to most other nations, the United States considers the three types of agreements as distinct. Further, the United States incorporates treaty law into the body of U.S. federal law. As a result, Congress can modify or repeal treaties afterwards. It can overrule an agreed-upon treaty obligation even if this is seen as a violation of the treaty under international law. Several U.S. court rulings confirmed this understanding, including the 1900 Supreme Court decision in Paquete Habana, a late 1950s decision in Reid v. Covert, and a lower court ruling in 1986 in Garcia-Mir v. Meese. Further, the Supreme Court has declared itself as having the power to rule a treaty as void by declaring it "unconstitutional", although as of 2011, it has never exercised this power.Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, the State Department has taken the position that the Vienna convention represents established law. Generally when the U.S. signs a treaty, it is binding. However, because of the Reid v. Covert decision, the U.S. adds a reservation to the text of every treaty that says, in effect, that the U.S. intends to abide by the treaty, but if the treaty is found to be in violation of the Constitution, then the U.S. legally can't abide by the treaty since the U.S. signature would be ultra vires.

[vicsinner]

I was in Bass Pro in Bricktown yesterday and their 9mm shelf is lookin pretty bare, as well as 223/5.56. Lots of 12 gauge though. Gonna be another wild run

[LightningCrash]

I am not worried about the election.

http://www.okshooters.com/showthread...11#post1844811

And what are the action steps for people who disagree with disarmament?

[AKguy1985]

I didnt forget what vendors did.

[RickN]

Yes. You should stock up on brass now.

http://www.okshooters.com/showthread...00#post1845100

[AKguy1985]

I remember a certain vendor on here was selling regular DPMS ARs for $1,000 bucks!

[Shadowrider]

And what are the action steps for people who disagree with disarmament?

Aim small miss small?

[reddog1]

And what are the action steps for people who disagree with disarmament?

Maybe, just maybe, you could put your big boy pants on and try to become part of a soloution instead of riding the troll bandwagon?

ahh, nvm, dosent hurt for the rest of us to dream right? **sigh**

[reddog1]

Does anyone ever get the feeling there will be no election this November?

[aa5b]

I was perusing Academy in Norman yesterday and the ammo selection was certainly looking sparse. .223 especially was hard to come by. It looks like the run has already began.