what are you feelings on a CCW with a trigger job?

[David2012]

On any handgun for concealed carry, like my Glocks that don't have a traditional thumb safety lever to click on & off... I would never want less than a 5 pound trigger pull. To darn easy to snag the trigger on clothing when holstering / re-holstering and touch off a round. Also, unlike when hunting or target shooting... when under the pressure of a life & death situation... people tend to get a adrenaline rush and that will make a 5 pound trigger pull seem like a 1 pound pull.

What use to get a lot of people into trouble in the courts.... who used a gun to defend themselves... was going Hollywood with their bullets--- altering them so they would cause more damage than the original manufactured design. Such as cutting deep X's in the tips. I remember one time a movie showed a guy breaking a fever thermometer and putting some mercury in the tip of his hollowpoint bullets and then sealing it with some wax. The mercury was suppose to assure the bad guy died from mercury poisoning because it was so hard for doctors to get it all out of the blood system. It got a lot of publicity and people all over were trying it. Then one guy went to prison for approx. 30 yrs after shooting someone with a mercury laced bullet... when if he'd have used a unaltered bullet he would have been OK....and most people decided that wasn't such a good idea after all. The altered bullets were seen as a deliberate attempt to cause serious injury or death, rather than mere self defense to stop a threat when using commercial ammo.

[neginfluence04]

Hello,

Cases have been tried. I've have to dig up the specific examples.

There haven't been many, and in the ones in which this, or handloads, has been an issue, it's a relatively small one and all the cases I've read where it was mentioned, the judge saw it as a desperation tactic by the prosecuting attorney.

I believe it's been successfully used in civil proceedings, though, wrongful death and the like.

A much bigger issue is saying the gun accidentally went off. That's a bad idea and will land you with negligent manslaughter or criminal recklessness.

If you're in a shooting and are actually arrested for it, just say something along the lines of "I was in fear for my life. I fired to stop the threat. I would like to stand on my right to remain silent and I would like to speak to my attorney." Then SHUT UP! I cannot stress that enough.

The prosecutor will try everything to get you thrown in jail. There is no such thing as a lawyer-proof gun. Don't try to make one lawyer-proof or -resistant.

The best things you can do are to get more training than the police officers, and find out what ammo your local PD carries and carry the same.

Most non-gun folks do not know the difference between a bullet an a primer, and many think that the whole cartridge leaves the barrel (ala cartoon bullets chasing after Wile E. Coyote, or whomever). These are the folks who will be trying you. They need to know three things: You feel awful about having to shoot a person, your weapon (and you!) worked exactly as intended, and the ammo was not anything evil but rather what the friendly neighborhood police officers carry.

They can then make a judgement as to whether your actions were rational and justified.

Regards,

Josh

thanks for all the great info I do appreciate your input and all others that contributed.

[F16mickey]

A good shoot is a good shoot. A bad one is bad one. Unless you accidentally shoot someone you didn't mean to shoot, it should never come up. Just in case it does, you prepare to refute the argument. If the trigger job is one that aids accuracy without increasing the likelihood of a negligent discharge, it's a good thing. Don't get too hung up on trivialities like this, especially in Oklahoma. There's a reason we don't live in an area that's openly hostile to self-defense.

+1 to this, a trigger job is not going to turn a good shoot into a bad shoot.

[jsl_pt]

I dont think it makes a difference. I know there has been debates about this.

Finger doesn't go on trigger until your ready to shoot to stop a threat that is causing you to fear for your life. So a trigger job would make no difference. If your finger is on the trigger you are about to stop a threat, and will pull the trigger until the gun fires no matter what the tigger pull, if your finger is not on the trigger, the gun will not go off.

And unless clearing your house, etc. then your gun should not be out of your holster unless you have identified a life threatening threat and need to draw to stop the threat, again the trigger pull would make no difference except for a split second difference in when the gun will fire, not if the gun will fire, as your finger is coming back to fire the gun.

Just my thoughts.

[MrShooter]

Hello,

Cases have been tried. I've have to dig up the specific examples.

There haven't been many, and in the ones in which this, or handloads, has been an issue, it's a relatively small one and all the cases I've read where it was mentioned, the judge saw it as a desperation tactic by the prosecuting attorney.

I believe it's been successfully used in civil proceedings, though, wrongful death and the like.

A much bigger issue is saying the gun accidentally went off. That's a bad idea and will land you with negligent manslaughter or criminal recklessness.

If you're in a shooting and are actually arrested for it, just say something along the lines of "I was in fear for my life. I fired to stop the threat. I would like to stand on my right to remain silent and I would like to speak to my attorney." Then SHUT UP! I cannot stress that enough.

The prosecutor will try everything to get you thrown in jail. There is no such thing as a lawyer-proof gun. Don't try to make one lawyer-proof or -resistant.

The best things you can do are to get more training than the police officers, and find out what ammo your local PD carries and carry the same.

Most non-gun folks do not know the difference between a bullet an a primer, and many think that the whole cartridge leaves the barrel (ala cartoon bullets chasing after Wile E. Coyote, or whomever). These are the folks who will be trying you. They need to know three things: You feel awful about having to shoot a person, your weapon (and you!) worked exactly as intended, and the ammo was not anything evil but rather what the friendly neighborhood police officers carry.

They can then make a judgement as to whether your actions were rational and justified.

Regards,

Josh

Luckily, here in the great state of Oklahoma we are safe from civil suits after a lawful act of self defense.

[olyeller]

big boy guns

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big boys decide for themselves

[David2012]

Luckily, here in the great state of Oklahoma we are safe from civil suits after a lawful act of self defense.

What with so many liberal court judges around these days who legislate from the bench, there can always be exceptions to what we think are set-in-stone rules / laws.

If you use a highly modified handgun for self defense or use commercial ammo that you have altered.. say by cutting X's into the tips.... some liberal anti-gun judge might just rule that while you weren't prosecuted by the state...you exceeded what 'he' considered to be reasonable self defense boundries... and that by your modification[s] you were deliberately intending on inflicting death or as much serious bodily injury as you possibly could, and was not just trying to stop a threat.... and therefore allow a family to bring a personal liability suit.

Same can be said for what we post in forums like this one... some clever ambulance chaser goes back and finds where a person once posted that he would always 'shoot to kill' if he ever used his weapon for self defense... can go to a judge and say see... he wrote himself that he intended to kill my client's husband or father.. not just stop him. In that case, you might not be charged criminally, but still find yourself facing civil liability. You might eventually win on appeal... but that could take yrs and cost you tens of 1,000's of dollars!

That is kind of what the prosecutors [& the Martin family lawyers] are doing to Zimmerman down in Florida.. they are searching his FB & forum postings going back yrs and interviewing co-workers & neighbors from yrs ago just to get some kind of dirt on him to show he is a racist or had ever said he would 'shoot to kill' anyone who ever attacked him. Point is, don't put your complete trust in judges.. some liberal judges these days legislate the law as they go.. and you may have to correct it on appeal if you can afford it or find some lawyer willing to do it Pro bono.

[jmoney]

I want to get a trigger job on my M&P .40c, the take-up is super gritty.

DCAEK will clean it up. For glocks I use a skimmer trigger, for M&P I use FSS. I train with both though regularly and feel comfortable carrying them.

[Comte DeLoach]

Professionally done, and not made dangeriously light, should be fine. Bubba in the back yard made it .25 of an ounce to set it off, probably not a good idea..

[Comte DeLoach]

On the other hand, if you want to do it yourself, get a ransom rest, lube your gun properly mount your gun in it (DA/SA only), but a snap cap it in, set up a contraption where by a lever automatically pulls the trigger every 5 seconds or so and let her rip. If anything it would naturally smooth out the trigger pull after several hundred thousand trigger pulls.

[wylekyote]

2 of my Glocks for CCW have trigger jobs, one doesn't. I carry different guns depending on what I'm doing and what I'm wearing, but I make a point of shooting all of them regularly so that the difference between triggers doesn't throw me off. It's really just personal preference and what you feel comfortable with.

That being said, when I carry at work it's usually when I'm going out to work at a job site, and that means there's a good chance I'll be moving around quite a bit, bending down, kneeling, etc, and it makes it really hard to conceal anything on my back because my shirt always pulls up, so I'll carry the G27 with the factory trigger front tucked in an IWB holster. I'm not incredibly comfortable with the general direction the gun is pointed when I carry like that, so I opt for the heavier trigger pull for a little more peace of mind.

[Bierhunter]

My carry weapons are all factory builds. I don't want to give any lawyers any ammo against me. Although, I have to evidence to back that statement up. I'm just not taking the chance. I train with my carry weapons and I carry what I train with.