NYC Cop shoots aggressive Pit bull...Graphic Warning!

[redmax51]

Firearms 101: day 1: treat all firearms as if they're loaded, always maintain control, make sure they're in good working order, and store properly. Isn't the number one thing you teach children about guns is respect?




Don't these things apply to dogs as well?

Yes but then you have no control over the other guys loose dog. Guns have no will or intent to do anything, they are inanimate objects, dogs aren't. Bad analogy comparing a living thing to a hunk of steel.

[Okiedog]

I've got to marvel at anyone who can sit on their butt in Okla. and tell the intention of a dog in NYC.

[redmax51]

I've got to marvel at anyone who can sit on their butt in Okla. and tell the intention of a dog in NYC.

Who said that ? All I see are general statements, maybe I missed it. A lot of crap to read.

[saddlebum]

Who said that ? All I see are general statements, maybe I missed it. A lot of crap to read.

seadog seems to think he can tell by watching the video that the dog wasn't really going to bite anyone

[redmax51]

seadog seems to think he can tell by watching the video that the dog wasn't really going to bite anyone

Gotcha, thanks.

[elwoodtrix]

seadog seems to think he can tell by watching the video that the dog wasn't really going to bite anyone

looks like the dog was trying to protect the passed out guy, anyone that got close..

I've been bitten 5 times at my job... didn't have a pistol or spray

[caojyn]

Yes but then you have no control over the other guys loose dog. Guns have no will or intent to do anything, they are inanimate objects, dogs aren't. Bad analogy comparing a living thing to a hunk of steel.

Do you control the other guy's gun?

It's not a perfect analogy but along the same lines as "a lot of people think this is scary, therefore you should not be able to own one." or better yet " some people are not responsible enough to own one of thes dangerous things."

But hey those are reasonable arguments for gun control.

[MoBoost]

According to animal control and the police. They are usually involved.I don't imagine anyone is concerned if they are AKC registered (that's pretty silly)

Most people think square head = pitbull, no smoke and mirrors here. If it bites - it must be a pitbull.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

I'm not going to spend my night looking up this crap but the PB(235 psi) ties the much larger German Sheppard (238 psi) so based on that I woud guess ALL 40# dogs have a lesser bite strength.

The bite numbers quoted from this History channel video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbwMs7cjK0Y
Numbers are right - I don't see a "much larger German Sheppard", even though it did bite harder.

I've had my share of dog bites in 60 years of life and, since I've never been bit by a PB, everyone turned loose after the bite.

...pit bull-type dogs exhibit "bite, hold, and shake" behavior, which is seen in all breeds of dogs, and at times refuse to release when biting;
Source: Medical & Genetic Aspects of Purebred Dogs.

Nothing made up here, when you've spent 100's of hours in a large ER and seen dozens of dog bites then you can talk about how under represented PB's are as crippling biters.

You remind me of Deadmeat2 that wrote that huge article about gun wounding from morgue point of view - pretending to know something about gun fight dynamics from seeing a couple of dead guys. You worked at ER and I'm sure you've seen it all - but it doesn't mean you have seen a single PB attack victim: a) most attacks are by mixes b) pure-bread PBs are not human aggressive

Assault weapons were brought up from news point of view : when the news say "assault" - you know it means "semi-automatic rifle" not "select fire" even though that's the definition.
Same reasonable people should know that when they say "pitbull" - it means "mutt with square head" not "APB".

[cichlid-dave]

I've got to marvel at anyone who can sit on their butt in Okla. and tell the intention of a dog in NYC.

There is a huge problem with bystanders causing a ruckus when they should be minding their own sheeeet.


I wonder what that lady in the black slacks who was doing all the itching at the nypd officer would have been yelling if the dog had latched onto her leg?

[shooterdave]

Seems to me that the real danger here was the civilians. A shame they had to pop the dog, but it was threatening multiple persons. I'm always amazed at how people get so worked up over an animal that isn't even theirs. Hell, I have two great golden retrievers. If the situation ever arises where one is being overly aggressive and attempting to bite or even nip someone else, I'll shoot them myself. No dog is ever going to be worth more to me than a human's well being...

[Glocktogo]

Sad deal. The dog should've been on the leash. Officer did the right thing.

As far as all "pit bull" comments - some pretty ignorant stuff. Pit bulls are medium sized breed of mild temper. You wanna see "dangerous" breeds? Most Americans have no clue what an aggressive large dog is capable of - look-up Caucasian Sheepdog, Russian Schnauzer, Akita, Bandoggo, Corso - those have strength and agility to take down dangerous game (not a 40lb dog as pitbulls were bread to do) and that handgun wouldn't do jack-sh!t to a charging 120lb+ dog.

I disagree. I'm a big fan of face shooting. Man or beast, if you shoot it in the face, it's probably going to leave you alone.

If you provoke something expect an action. Blue boy advanced on a dog protecting its master after having maced it. Pit bull? Mix? Wow. That dog looked Soooo scary. Already had a fellow say he would shoot a poodle. Officers supposedly are on sight to lend assistance but for over 5 or 6 minutes do exactly nothing but go into riot controle over upseting the crowd of by standers. I didnt see a dog biting anybody. Just a scared shitless fella that shot a dog.

The macho BS routine is getting pretty tiresome. You seem to think you're some sort of dog whisperer, and that's great. Do whatever you want the next time a scared, injured or pissed animal with fangs charges you. Just don't expect anyone else to agree with you, because statistics don't lie and neither do stitches or injury reports. Do us a favor. Go to this page and tell all these people that they're "girly men". http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...=pit+bull+bite A full grown man's flesh will tear just as easily as a little girl's will.

The officer's were trying to establish control of a scene. That includes trying to protect those too stupid to understand the concept. The ignorant people on the street were actively endangering themselves and everyone around them in direct opposition to what the cops were trying to do. Are you a LEO/EMT? Do you hold dual certifications in those fields? If not, why don't you quit MMQB'ing their actions like you know what you're talking about? You're obviously emotionally wrapped up in this subject and you aren't being objective. Ignorance is no excuse. Walk a mile in their shoes before disparaging them why don't you?

Most people think square head = pitbull, no smoke and mirrors here. If it bites - it must be a pitbull.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html


The bite numbers quoted from this History channel video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbwMs7cjK0Y
Numbers are right - I don't see a "much larger German Sheppard", even though it did bite harder.


...pit bull-type dogs exhibit "bite, hold, and shake" behavior, which is seen in all breeds of dogs, and at times refuse to release when biting;
Source: Medical & Genetic Aspects of Purebred Dogs.


You remind me of Deadmeat2 that wrote that huge article about gun wounding from morgue point of view - pretending to know something about gun fight dynamics from seeing a couple of dead guys. You worked at ER and I'm sure you've seen it all - but it doesn't mean you have seen a single PB attack victim: a) most attacks are by mixes b) pure-bread PBs are not human aggressive

Assault weapons were brought up from news point of view : when the news say "assault" - you know it means "semi-automatic rifle" not "select fire" even though that's the definition.
Same reasonable people should know that when they say "pitbull" - it means "mutt with square head" not "APB".

I call complete BS on that "fact". Any animal can be aggressive when scared, cornered, injured or just plain pissed. If you take an American Staffordshire Terrier and mistreat it, taunt it, malnourish it, deprive it of any bonding or affection, you'll wind up with a dog that's aggressive and can bite. It eats my soul to see people not properly care for animals. It's obvious to anyone the dog cares very much for the guy. It was trying to protect him. It's a tragedy that it was shot. But witnesses who know the dog say it could be aggressive at times. It really doesn't matter whether it's an AKC registered AmStaff, poorly bred puppy mill Pit or a Heinz 57 mutt with pit blood, it's still a potentially dangerous animal and street cops aren't dog whisperers.

I love dogs. I've been bitten to the point of medical treatment by three of them (a chow, a doberman and a mutt). Yet large breeds don't bother me, so long as I know the dog and what state of mind it's in. Here's a pic of my recently departed boy and his little buddy. He only weighed 184 pounds at his peak, so he was a little on the lanky side for the breed. He was as gentle as they come, but if he was protecting my wife, nothing but a tranquilizer dart or bullet would stand him down. If that had ever happened, I'd have been tore up completely. But I'd have understood. I wouldn't want my wife laying there dying while the cops waited for animal control to secure the scene, so EMT's could get in and safely do their jobs. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

[racing1g]

You worked at ER and I'm sure you've seen it all - but it doesn't mean you have seen a single PB attack victim: a) most attacks are by mixes b) pure-bread PBs are not human aggressive.

I'm not trying to be an ass and i'm not making a personal attack, but the whole pure bred pitts are not human aggressive has to be one of the most asinine things i've heard about dogs in a while. ANY dog can be human aggressive. I've witnessed good "non-aggressive breeds" attack for no apparent reason and "dangerous and aggressive" breeds that were just big old puppies. Dogs are just like humans in the temperament department. You can never tell how aggressive or docile they may be.

[ripnbst]

I've got to marvel at anyone who can sit on their butt in Okla. and tell the intention of a dog in NYC.

I sort of get a chuckle out of the insinuation that a dog in NYC is different than a dog in OK. Who gives a airborn explitive about who is where? The dog was protecting his owner. Had no one gotten near nothing would have happened. Poor decisions were made by the police that started the ball rolling.

The dog from his perspective was doing what dogs do, protect their owners. pit or otherwise. Id be proud as all get out if that were my dog.

[emapples]

The dog should have been shot, unfortunately the dog was protecting it's owner which is a good trait of a loyal dog, and firing that close to the bystanders certainly risky (a decent shot, a cleaner head shot to put it out of its misery)..... but damn officers if you shoot the dog ant it was a righteous kill, at least pretend to give a **** and render aid to the helpless man who was the owner of what was a loyal companion..... It looked as though the officer tried to approach the the man down to render assistance, dog backs him off, officer peppers dog and tries to render assistance, dog charges, offic shoots dog, dog finally expires, officer immediate approaches downed man to render assistance...... wait that last step didn't happen on que.... I wasn't there and not in the situation, but if I was I'd have proceeded to the downed man after I removed the threat...

[Glocktogo]

i sort of get a chuckle out of the insinuation that a dog in nyc is different than a dog in ok. Who gives a airborn explitive about who is where? The dog was protecting his owner. Had no one gotten near nothing would have happened. Poor decisions were made by the interloping bystanders that started the ball rolling.

The dog from his perspective was doing what dogs do, protect their owners. Pit or otherwise. Id be proud as all get out if that were my dog.

fify.