At this point, How are you Planning to vote?

**Lurker66** · 09-03-2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by BrandX

Until there is a true 3rd party movement; does it really matter who we vote for? Both Dem's and Rep's are backed by "super packs", who truly run Washington. If you vote lib or green or com its basically a waste of a vote, because they have 0% chance of winning. Its frustrating

then Register as an Independent, look through the hype and rhetoric, on cast a ballot.

When enough people reject the non-sense of the Demlicans/Republicrats and truely become Independents, we'll see a change in them.

**Stephen Cue** · 09-03-2012, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by gmplaster

Obamacare will all but stop developments in medicine since the investment in R&D is always high and the return will be low.

Do you have empirical evidence to back up your claim?

Private schools and private research foundations must not exist in your world

**LightningCrash** · 09-03-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Stephen Cue

Do you have empirical evidence to back up your claim?

Private schools and private research foundations must not exist in your world

This is OSA, we don't need empiricals or referrees.

Now Romner says he will undo in all of America what he did to Massachussets, and I believe him. This is America, not some pink commie country.
If them cancer people don't get sick or die, then the unemployed can't step in and take their jobs. You see this is what's best for everyone, because it's not goober's socalisterine.

**henschman** · 09-04-2012, 12:34 AM

I'm very libertarian (voluntarist would be more accurate). I would vote for Gary Johnson in the presidential election, but since everything but D's and R's are outlawed in Oklahoma, I am planning on practicing a little abstinence in the presidential election. I am basically just showing up to the polls to vote for Darrell Sorrels for Oklahoma County Sheriff.

Mostly I am abstaining because both of the ones who will be on the ballot are so far from my personal beliefs it is pretty hard to actually pick one that I think would be better. Also, the fact that they are both lying pieces of **** that will say anything to get elected makes it hard to determine what they will actually do. I believe it would support my values better to abstain, and add my voice to the growing segment pf the popoulation that is getting fed up with Statist Party A and Statist Party B, and the inevitable loss of liberty that occurs no matter which one is in power.

All my political involvement was during the primary season. I did everything I could to try to get someone on the ticket who I could actually vote for in good conscience, including going to Tampa last week, but that didn't work out, so I am just planning on going back to work at the state and local level and staying active within the Republican party, and maybe in 4 more years we libertarians can take over the state GOP. We were pretty close this year... Ron Paul supporters swept several of the District Conventions and were barely beat at the State Convention. With hard work it can be done.

I saw a bumper sticker in Tampa that pretty much summed up how I feel about this presidential elction... "Obamney 2012 -- more wars, less freedom."

**Glocktogo** · 09-04-2012, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by henschman

I'm very libertarian (voluntarist would be more accurate). I would vote for Gary Johnson in the presidential election, but since everything but D's and R's are outlawed in Oklahoma, I am planning on practicing a little abstinence in the presidential election. I am basically just showing up to the polls to vote for Darrell Sorrels for Oklahoma County Sheriff.

Mostly I am abstaining because both of the ones who will be on the ballot are so far from my personal beliefs it is pretty hard to actually pick one that I think would be better. Also, the fact that they are both lying pieces of **** that will say anything to get elected makes it hard to determine what they will actually do. I believe it would support my values better to abstain, and add my voice to the growing segment pf the population that is getting fed up with Statist Party A and Statist Party B, and the inevitable loss of liberty that occurs no matter which one is in power.

All my political involvement was during the primary season. I did everything I could to try to get someone on the ticket who I could actually vote for in good conscience, including going to Tampa last week, but that didn't work out, so I am just planning on going back to work at the state and local level and staying active within the Republican party, and maybe in 4 more years we libertarians can take over the state GOP. We were pretty close this year... Ron Paul supporters swept several of the District Conventions and were barely beat at the State Convention. With hard work it can be done.

I saw a bumper sticker in Tampa that pretty much summed up how I feel about this presidential election... "Obamney 2012 -- more wars, less freedom."

This should be a huge clue to the GOP elite, who feel we should vote party line regardless of our what our conscience tells us. Sadly, they won't get it.

**Lurker66** · 09-04-2012, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by henschman

I'm very libertarian (voluntarist would be more accurate). I would vote for Gary Johnson in the presidential election, but since everything but D's and R's are outlawed in Oklahoma, I am planning on practicing a little abstinence in the presidential election. I am basically just showing up to the polls to vote for Darrell Sorrels for Oklahoma County Sheriff.

Mostly I am abstaining because both of the ones who will be on the ballot are so far from my personal beliefs it is pretty hard to actually pick one that I think would be better. Also, the fact that they are both lying pieces of **** that will say anything to get elected makes it hard to determine what they will actually do. I believe it would support my values better to abstain, and add my voice to the growing segment pf the popoulation that is getting fed up with Statist Party A and Statist Party B, and the inevitable loss of liberty that occurs no matter which one is in power.

All my political involvement was during the primary season. I did everything I could to try to get someone on the ticket who I could actually vote for in good conscience, including going to Tampa last week, but that didn't work out, so I am just planning on going back to work at the state and local level and staying active within the Republican party, and maybe in 4 more years we libertarians can take over the state GOP. We were pretty close this year... Ron Paul supporters swept several of the District Conventions and were barely beat at the State Convention. With hard work it can be done.

I saw a bumper sticker in Tampa that pretty much summed up how I feel about this presidential elction... "Obamney 2012 -- more wars, less freedom."

Honest reasoning and still optimistic. I applaud your responce.

**Billybob** · 09-04-2012, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Glocktogo

This should be a huge clue to the GOP elite, who feel we should vote party line regardless of our what our conscience tells us. Sadly, they won't get it.

Doesn't matter if they "get it" or not, ever see the elite give up being elite voluntarily?

**Glocktogo** · 09-04-2012, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Billybob

Doesn't matter if they "get it" or not, ever see the elite give up being elite voluntarily?

Nope, but involuntary works just as well for me!

**Billybob** · 09-04-2012, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Glocktogo

Nope, but involuntary works just as well for me!

Since reports are they're changing the rules to assure their control of delegates I'm pretty sure it'll have to be involuntary.

**bootsbaker** · 09-04-2012, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker66

glad we found some common ground. Just dont look at Romneys record too close or look at Obama's legislation. You might start blaming congress and the Senate for not doing their job.

actually I quite believe the presidency has been reduced to a figurehead posistion mostly and the congress and senate are the worst people in american politics. I am a strong supporter of term limits, this whole thing of being a career politician and setting up on cap hill for decades needs to change. Common ground is what its all about because I do believe that right now America is Rome and we are being entertained to death, divided and conquered so some power hungry jack asses can feel good about themselves. I am an equal opportunity politician hater. LOL

**Lurker66** · 09-04-2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by bootsbaker

actually I quite believe the presidency has been reduced to a figurehead posistion mostly and the congress and senate are the worst people in american politics. I am a strong supporter of term limits, this whole thing of being a career politician and setting up on cap hill for decades needs to change. Common ground is what its all about because I do believe that right now America is Rome and we are being entertained to death, divided and conquered so some power hungry jack asses can feel good about themselves. I am an equal opportunity politician hater. LOL

same here. Cept i give em credit for being politicians, some decisions are hard but must be made.

**chuter** · 09-04-2012, 08:30 PM

No way I would vote for bammer, and I don't like Romney.
But the question that makes me want to vote is: who do you want appointing the next supreme court justice? Bammer or Romney?

**WhiteyMacD** · 09-04-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by 3inSlugger

Sorry. I was too. But the beautiful OK election board has effectively pulled him from the ballot.

http://watchdog.org/53096/ok-flash-a...n-in-oklahoma/

Now you can only choose between the car salesman or the fake statesman!

Which is why I am writing really huge on my ballot GARY JOHNSON. When it fails to read in the machine... I will loudly tell them the problem is not with my ballot, but with the "machine" and I demand it be fixed to accurately represent my POV on American politics.

**yukonjack** · 09-04-2012, 09:00 PM

If you told your boss you could get the job done in 4 years and you didn't would you still expect to get that annual performance bonus? Obama failed. It's time to send him home. It's not like he's going home broke. Geez, they get a lifetime retirement check out of the deal.

**WhiteyMacD** · 09-04-2012, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by yukonjack

If you told your boss you could get the job done in 4 years and you didn't would you still expect to get that annual performance bonus? Obama failed. It's time to send him home. It's not like he's going home broke. Geez, they get a lifetime retirement check out of the deal.

I agree, but at the same time, I sure hope the GOP produces a better, and more importantly, will back a better candidate in 2016. I wouldnt want Romnama to have more than 1 term.