The official " will israel do it " discussion

[reddog1]

I am going to listen to sum fuggin SLAYER, screw you guys.

[Vamoose]

At what point do you believe we should intervene?

Never.

[plissken]

Dave, according to the prophecy, Israel stands alone. Fear not, we will not help her.

[reddog1]

Megadeth "Holy Wars"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ww3XH4zEg

Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand

Fools like me,who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep,for their beliefs
Do you kill on god's command?

A country that's divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased,no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand

The end is near,it's crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don't look now to israel
It might be your homelands

Holy wars
Upon my podium,as the
Know it all scholar
Down in my seat of judgement
Gavel's bang,uphold the law
Up on my soapbox,a leader
Out to change the world
Down in my pulpit as the holler
Than-thou-could-be-messenger of god

Wage the war on organized crime
Sneak attacks,repel down the rocks
Behind the lines
Some people risk to employ me
Some people live to destroy me
Either way they die

They killed my wife,and my baby
With hopes to enslave me
First mistake...last mistake|
Paid by the alliance,to slay all the giants
Next mistake...no more mistakes|

Fill the cracks in,with judicial granite
Because I don't say it,don't mean I ain't
Thinkin' it
Next thing you know,they'll take my thoughts away
I know what I said,now I must scream of the overdose
And the lack of mercy killings

[jcizzle]

I am not searching, and I was waiting for this argument. You refer to the New Testament; as it happens, I quite agree with you that the New supplants the Old. That said, you refer to the Old (Ezekiel) as an argument. Do you find it convincing? If so, my question stands; if not, why do you refer to it?

Like I said before, the scripture you mentioned was old LAW and were fulfilled by Jesus. The Ezekiel scriptures referenced were PROPHECIES. They are still valid until fulfilled.

[Cowboy2000]

It's going to be a very difficult. Israel would have to fly over hostile Arab airspace, refuel in the air and hit Multiple targets. The link below shows three uranium enrichment facilities. Israel was successful in a preempt airstrike on a single nuclear site in iraq in June of 1981. But today the situation is Iran is one country over and has many Nuclear sites. Estimates are it would take israel to deploy Up to 46 f-15's, 20 f-16's and seven kc-135 tankers. I bet USAF would provide at least awac support and maybe tanker support. One atomic bomb can take out Israel. Israel is only 8 miles wide at one point. They don't have resources for a second chance. Their survival strategy is very different from us. Israel is surrounded by enemies. Pretty interesting report below.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...ilities/48945/

[uncle money bags]

It's going to be a very difficult. Israel would have to fly over hostile Arab airspace, refuel in the air and hit Multiple targets. The link below shows three uranium enrichment facilities. Israel was successful in a preempt airstrike on a single nuclear site in iraq in June of 1981. But today the situation is Iran is one country over and has many Nuclear sites. Estimates are it would take israel to deploy Up to 46 f-15's, 20 f-16's and seven kc-135 tankers. I bet USAF would provide at least awac support and maybe tanker support. One atomic bomb can take out Israel. Israel is only 8 miles wide at one point. They don't have resources for a second chance. Their survival strategy is very different from us. Israel is surrounded by enemies. Pretty interesting report below.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...ilities/48945/

I agree with most of that, a nuclear Iran, ( or Islamic state) is the big game changer in the equation. Israel is prepared for conventional war but the size of their nation make defense against a nuclear threat non existent.

[Glocktogo]

I seriously doubt that anyone would ever nuke Israel. To do so, they'd have to take out Jerusalem and make it a perpetual hot zone. All three major religions consider Jerusalem a holy site. While the bad actors may want the Jews gone from there, none of them wants to eliminate the place itself.

[uncle money bags]

I seriously doubt that anyone would ever nuke Israel. To do so, they'd have to take out Jerusalem and make it a perpetual hot zone. All three major religions consider Jerusalem a holy site. While the bad actors may want the Jews gone from there, none of them wants to eliminate the place itself.

That is a real good point, I hope you are right .

[Lurker66]

That is a real good point, I hope you are right .

he is, look how hard they fought for falluja. Ill give em this, they love the holy sites.

[Boehlertaught]

he is, look how hard they fought for falluja. Ill give em this, they love the holy sites.

You better hope so because when these numb nuts decide to do something I think their sensibility goes out the door. I've got now doubts Israel can beat the crap out of Iran by themselves...they can kick a$$. I suspect most of Iran's infrastructure to make war, actually repel an attack, would be destroyed in a "pre-attack" night raid that would cripple all the plans, trains and automobiles Israel thought was a threat. Would we help them in the covert action. Probably. Would be get directly involved on a mass basis like we have in Iraq & Afghanistan? Not sure but I lean toward it just over 50%.
Bottom line is this. Nothing we do there will matter in the long run. It hasn't in Iraq, they are still all f'd up and I think it's just going to get worse. We're only marginally doing better in Afghanistan than Russia did...and I think Afghanistan will return to their old ways...the only way they know...faster than Iraq. The people over there have been at this type of action longer than man first started to scratch his first language on a rock. They're not going to change.

[uncle money bags]

You better hope so because when these numb nuts decide to do something I think their sensibility goes out the door. I've got now doubts Israel can beat the crap out of Iran by themselves...they can kick a$$. I suspect most of Iran's infrastructure to make war, actually repel an attack, would be destroyed in a "pre-attack" night raid that would cripple all the plans, trains and automobiles Israel thought was a threat. Would we help them in the covert action. Probably. Would be get directly involved on a mass basis like we have in Iraq & Afghanistan? Not sure but I lean toward it just over 50%.
Bottom line is this. Nothing we do there will matter in the long run. It hasn't in Iraq, they are still all f'd up and I think it's just going to get worse. We're only marginally doing better in Afghanistan than Russia did...and I think Afghanistan will return to their old ways...the only way they know...faster than Iraq. The people over there have been at this type of action longer than man first started to scratch his first language on a rock. They're not going to change.

No argument here on anything you said. It would take generations of effort to effect any kind of change in that part of the world. It's not like we are starting with a civilized population that values human rights as a basis for conducting business. that would need to happen before any reasonable expectation of societal change could begin to happen.

[Boehlertaught]

No argument here on anything you said. It would take generations of effort to effect any kind of change in that part of the world. It's not like we are starting with a civilized population that values human rights as a basis for conducting business. that would need to happen before any reasonable expectation of societal change could begin to happen.

I don't really know much about the way of life of the folks in these countries; any more than any other natural born American. But what I do know agrees with you on the human rights values issue. For change to happen, I'm not sure you can count the necessary generations on all of your fingers though. I think I do understand one part of their thinking. They probably look at us and say the same thing you said. They probably wonder why we think differently than they do and condem our actions. And remember, a point of view is something folks learn from the previous generations. A Vulcan mind meld is probably the best thing to do to the entire population.

[carry guy]

There's a bigger agenda going on with Africa/the Middle East, The Nato powers (G.B,. USA. France) are totally invested in remaking the middle east. Their unofficial game plan can be found in the Project For A New American Centruey documents, which were prepared well before 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. So far we have had Tunisia, C'ote d'Ivoire, Egypt, and Libya.
All based on Responsibility to Protect, the new United Nattions document which was approved around 2005 and has been used as the basis for intervention. For hundreds of years before that, the Western powers adhered to the Treaties of Westphalia, circa 1649-1649. These Wesphalian treaties basically stood for the point that the internal affairs of a foreign country were just that--their internal affairs, and did not furnish a rationale to pick sides and/or invade.

Fact is, the Department of State (hillary's doman) began inviting key players from these countries and set them up in classrooms so as to learn things such as how to engineer an Arab Spring. Sio far, for all the initital talk of freedom for the little guy, what we have wound up with is major civilian casualties in Libya, the razing of entire cities inhabited by blacks under the guidance and armaments of Al Quaeda, and the installation of a central bank of Libya. In Egypt, the Musbarik regime was overthrown and a military government took over. Both the ruling elites of Libya and Egypt have fallen into the hands of the Moslem Brotherhood, an organization with deep ties to both the CIA and City of London (the financial district referred to as a city within London, not London proper).

Now, onto Syria. It is a country currently ruled by a harsh dictator, Assad. Under Assacd,. Syria has provided a home for Muslims, Christians, and Jews, the latter two forming a distinct minority with many ancient buildings of worship. Enter the so-called "Free Syrian Army." These are portrayed as locals who took up arms against Assad, but the FSA is really an umberella organization. Major componenets are Al Qaedda, many of whom fought in Iraq against US troops and in Libya against Gaddafi. Now, they have been moved to Syria. It is also no secret that the rebels/insurrectionists have been the benediciaries of Saudi and Turkish, as well as US arms. The rebel forces have the nasty habit of killing the elderly, women, and children as well as military age males; they also burn to the ground Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, unlike the Assad forces.

We here is the West have access to the Associated Press and Reuters as news sources. No surprise, they put forward the propaganda stories of their favored "activists" and retractions, iif any, occur in lower distaant back pages. The Reuters organization has been owned and controlled by the Rosthchild banking interests for around a century. Since the Rothschilds have been infamous for arming both sides in wars, they usually have no large stake in the outcome, figuring that both the winning and losing side will be their debtors.

Now, let's take a look at Iran. The West overhtrew their democratically eleceted leadeer in the early 1950's and installed the Shah of Iran. He began getting testy against werstern interests in the mid 1970's. The Shah was deposes by popular crowds. amd tje Ayatollah Khomeini was flown from Paris to Tehran, to take over the country and install a fundamentalist Muslim government. Unknown to many, the Ayatollah Khomeini was hand-picked by the CIA to become the next ruler of Iran.

Under his leadership, Iran would not be swayed to behave as OpEC members, in accepting only dollars for oil sales. It must be remembered, that Nixon cut the official link between dolars and redeemable gold for dollars in 1971. Another method had tobe created to force the rest of the world to use dollars. Thus, any time., any nation needed tp sell oil, they had to use dollars for the tranaction.

Currently, Iran is recieving payment for oil exports to China in gold.k It just so happens that Canada has withrawn their diplomats in Irand. Netanyahu ( apart fro, the sentiments of the bulk of Israelis) is pushing tor war against Iran. All over something they suspect Iran has that Israel has already had for a long time.i
And here we are in the USA. Latest employment numbers reduced the unemployment rate simply becaise of workers who have dropped out from the pool the Labor Deoartment measures.

Folks, we are sitting here right before an election year for the President of the United States. I could easilly blow of voting for president. I sill may. Just understand, whomever you elect will be sorely tempted to rule through executive orders that no one had a chance to vote for or against. Just remembember that Syria is a sovereign power under attack by rebels from other counriess. Just remenber the USA sgould not be your role model;. that we are tryking to get our voices out despigte this inhumane organiztion. Dear foreigners. I am tryin to spldge my mind, my sould, and my sense of freedom to you/ Please never fporget that a lover of humanity risked it all to send you a message of love and solidaity. May God bless you, ,my friends. May God bless the decisions you make. Please remember our Christ told us that we would have no rewards here, but ra ther in the kingdom of heaven. aNo matter how strong you may have tought the USA id, plese vote on the side of what Gpd males a[[ear om upir jearts/ NHOT WHat we necessarily ask or. God is great and Gid is beautriful. God bless you and prayers you do not succuumb to the idolaterer.

[RickN]

Hmmm that is the most propaganda I have seen in one post in a long time.