Guy (OC) carries i TN ak pistol gets detailed 2009

[68mustang]

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/leo-e...d-ak-47-a.html

I went to the Tennessee State Radnor Lake State Park 12/20/2009 to take in some nature and get some exercise. I dressed in boots, blue jeans, t-shirt, vest, and an old military issue gore-tex woodland camo jacket. I carried my new Romanian Draco AK pistol loaded with 31 123 grain FMJ ammunition from Walmart. I arrived at approximately 3:30 pm and with the pistol slung on my back I started my walk. It was mostly uneventful. I saw no deer and passed maybe 30 hikers. As I reached the end of the trail I made sure no one was close by and shifted the ak-47 pistol to the front of my body. I reached the end of the trail and turned onto the roadway where I saw the first ranger of the day. He asked me if it was an airsoft and I said no it was an AK-47 type pistol. He looked at me strangely and asked to see my permit. I showed my Tennessee handgun carry permit. He asked where I parked and I told him. He said I could keep walking I kept walking as he called someone. By the time I reached my car the ranger was no where in sight as I walk quickly. However, another ranger vehicle pulled in the parking lot and a ranger jumped out with a shotgun pointed at me and yelled at me to stay still and put the weapon on the ground. After I put the weapon down he told me to move away which I did. He then told me to put my face on the ground and my arms on my head. I complied. I think he had a gun trained on me the whole time, but I couldn’t see. He searched me quickly and put my AK into the truck. This particular ranger has seen me before and has asked to see my TN handgun carry permit. He asked to see the permit again and asked for my driver license. I told him I would not give him my license, but he could see the permit.

Three Nashville metro cop cars showed up pretty quickly. They talked among themselves for about an hour and then a cop pulled out a citation for arrest. It said I was being arrested for 39-17-1311 unlawful possession of a weapon. He asked me to sign and I told him I wanted to speak with his supervisor. He said okay, but that it would take a long time and he just wanted to cite and release me for my convenience (yeah right). I asked what part of 39-17-1311 I violated he said I couldn’t carry a rifle. I told him my firearm was classified as a pistol. It has no stock and never had a stock. I also pointed out that it has an 11.5” barrel with complies with the length of a handgun definition in Tennessee. He said it looks like I had cut the stock off and another said they had never heard of a 7.62x39 handgun. It took about another ½ hour for the sergeant to show up. In the meantime one of the original cops left, another park ranger came and left and two more cops showed up. The sergeant showed and I tried to explain that the firearm was a handgun. I also told him if they were going to arrest me to just take me in front of the magistrate right away. They spent another ½ hour asking me if I had a form 1, that the ATF classifies my pistol as a rifle, and they had never seen an AK pistol before. Finally they told me they had gotten in touch with the manufacturer and the manufacturer said it indeed was a pistol. I highly doubt that, but that is what they told me. They released the handcuffs, and gave me back my magazine, ammo, and pistol.

I think they handled it as well as could be expected. I felt the cop who was trying to charge me with a violation of 39-17-1311 had no basis for the charge.


Radnor Lake rules


Tennessee State Code


Picture of park sign

Even though park sign says no firearms carry permit holders may carry due to a law which was passed this summer. The law stated that the parks didn’t have to change the signs.

I carried a Romanian draco ak-47 pistol I purchased new from classic arms in NC and which was transferred to be by a FFL in Nashville on 12/16/2009. I carried it on an urban ert two point sling using the rear grip screw as the second attachment point.

Transcipt 12-20-2009
Here is a link to download
Approximately 4:00pm
This is an audio recording of the first ranger I met. He was approximately 50 yards west of the lake trail exit point. He ended his conversation with another man as I approached.
28:40 is when the audio begins with the ranger (R).
Me: It’s a chilly one today.
R: Hey, bud.
Me: Yeah?
R: Airsoft?
Me: No, it’s a handgun. You can touch it.
R: Why do you have that? Do you have a permit?
Me: Here you go. (I showed him my valid Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit)
R: Why do you have that?
Me: Because it’s legal to carry in the park.
R: Technically that’s not a handgun.
Me: Yeah it is.
R: No it’s not.
Me: Yeah it is.
R: No.
Me: Uh huh, I guarantee it. It’s a handgun. It’s never had a butt stockattached and and it’s 11.5” long.
R: Which side are you parked in?
Me: Uh, the one down the road. (pointing)
R: Okay, I mean technicaly it’s legal, but I don’t see why you need that out here.
Me: I was told by another ranger you had a lot of poachers and stuff out here.
R: No.
Me: Really?
R: Hold on a second. Let me check this. I’m pretty sure an AK47 is not a handgun
Me: How’s it going? (I spoke to a man passing by who was looking at us)
Man: That’s not real is it?
Me: Yeah, AK47, 7.62x39, 31 rounds.
Me: I’m going to record you. I’m recording right now.
Me: Which side of the road are we supposed to walk on over here anyway? This side right? Bikes on that side right? As long as they don’t run you over.
Me: I knew I would run into a ranger one of these times.
R: Well, the orange threw me off.
Me: Yeah, it’s a custom orange color paint job.
R: Makes phone call.
Me: Well, it’s a handgun. Are you checking on me or do you want me to keep on going?
R: keep going.
Me: You guys can meet me at the end if you have any questions. I’m in a little black Honda Civic.

[dustingaunder]

He was looking for trouble and found it. People who exercise their rights make me sick.

[68mustang]

I dislike people like this. I agree.

[dustingaunder]

Next thing you know he'll be trying to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[gun001guns]

Like I said earlier there are always a couple of idiots out there.

[TulsaGeoff]

He was looking for trouble and got owned. However, it was a waste of time for the officers that had to deal with the dumbass.

[68mustang]

This guy was looking for trouble, but the police should have known the law since that gets turned on citizens all the time. "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse"

[peanut]

Like I said earlier there are always a couple of idiots out there.

you don't know how many replies I typed out and deleted.

[peanut]

He was looking for trouble and got owned. However, it was a waste of time for the officers that had to deal with the dumbass.

Same here. Type, delete, type, delete.

[TwoForFlinching]

you don't know how many replies I typed out and deleted.

Exercising a right, yes... But doing so in a way to draw attention to himself... This is the bad publicity we're talking about in the OC thread

[skyydiver]

Title making me squint.

[Mr10mm]

Didn't someone on here get a ticket for having one of these in his vehicle on way to range?

[68mustang]

Exercising a right, yes... But doing so in a way to draw attention to himself... This is the bad publicity we're talking about in the OC thread

^^ exactly why I posted it. I wonder how many LEO's know it's perfectly legal to build a gun without a serial? That would be something wouldn't it? A citizen gets stopped and his homemade handgun gets taken?

[elcaBob]

Well, drawing attention to himself... maybe that's annoying to you. Is that the way I'd carry myself? Nope. But I don't believe any right thinking person could do anything but back the guy. He was within his rights. Whether you or I like it, he had every right to carry that weapon. We should support that guy at all costs. Choosing to disparage this guy over his choice of weapon is simply wrong. This is tantamount to someone telling you a regular bolt action is OK to hunt with, but there's no call for you to own an AR-15. That's just you trying to draw attention to yourself.

[dak]

Well, drawing attention to himself... maybe that's annoying to you. Is that the way I'd carry myself? Nope. But I don't believe any right thinking person could do anything but back the guy. He was within his rights. Whether you or I like it, he had every right to carry that weapon. We should support that guy at all costs. Choosing to disparage this guy over his choice of weapon is simply wrong. This is tantamount to someone telling you a regular bolt action is OK to hunt with, but there's no call for you to own an AR-15. That's just you trying to draw attention to yourself.

He purposely alienated himself from the gun community. He came on an AK forum I go to and posted pictures of a Draco with an orange painted muzzle nut and started asking questions about steel core 7.62x39 ballistics and how/if it penetrated body armor iirc. A few months later he does this OC thing a few times and it ended up biting him in the ass.

You don't troll gun forums and then try to apply it to real life without repercussions.