To SBR or not?

**farmerbyron** · 01-10-2013, 01:20 PM

Been working on a 9mm carbine and have fully intended on going through all the hoops to SBR it. However in light of recent events, I am beginning to think about just keeping it a pistol and thus "off the books". The proposal to register all ARs in the NFA looks like the next last step to consfication to me.

Anyone else in a holding pattern or am I just over reacting?

**dustingaunder** · 01-10-2013, 01:52 PM

Any AWB would likely not affect SBRs much like the last one did not.

**dwkennedy** · 01-10-2013, 06:05 PM

Most every SBR that was on dealer shelves is now under transfer, wonder what that's going to do to the wait times. Maybe all the extra practice will make them faster?

Might as well get it in the hopper now. New NFA has been restricted before (MGs in '86) so it's not unbelievable that SBRs, particularly those of unsporting purpose, could be restricted as well. But the good old 5th amendment, "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation" makes me think the old ones would be grandfathered, unless the Gov't is going to print up a bunch of funny money to buy everyone's collections.

Every day you wait to submit, is at least one more day till you get your stamp...

**farmerbyron** · 01-10-2013, 10:52 PM

I guess I'm coming at it more from the angle of everyone being freaked out by the idea of registering every AR with the ATF. Every SBR is already registered so they know exactly where and who to go after if something were to actually happen. Never really thought the political will would ever be there for confiscations but they are going nutso after this Sandy Hook deal. Just really don't want to be first on the list of confiscations if they were to ever happen. Sounding kinda like reddog. Yikes.

**flatwins** · 01-11-2013, 05:41 PM

I've never had any NFA stuff though I think a lot of it is totally cool. But I hate the system and hoops one has to go through to make a barrel a half inch shorter (or whatever).

At the moment I wouldn't touch the idea of putting something through NFA with a ten foot pole. But that's just me. YMM -and most likely will- V.

**Wormydog1724** · 01-17-2013, 08:26 AM

Do it Byron. I have two SBR's, one stamp received and one pending right now. There's just something about havin that short barrel that is totally badass. Jesse is sending his forms off as soon as he gets his lower back from the engravers. Might as well get in on the suppressors too.

**10Seconds** · 01-18-2013, 12:51 AM

People worry about this but then have C&R licenses, so have basically given up rights to search their home over it.

Personally, and you can break out the tin foil if you want, it would not surprise me if much of the 4473 data is already cataloged on a computer database anyways. Unless you bought it for cash from a private seller, you are probably not as sneaky as you want to be.

**1fast8** · 01-18-2013, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by 10Seconds

People worry about this but then have C&R licenses, so have basically given up rights to search their home over it.

Personally, and you can break out the tin foil if you want, it would not surprise me if much of the 4473 data is already cataloged on a computer database anyways. Unless you bought it for cash from a private seller, you are probably not as sneaky as you want to be.

the 4473s are not in a data base they are kept forever at the dealer so they would need to go to each dealer and look at them as of now. next year who knows there may be some big data base with all of us nut job gun owners in it

**farmerbyron** · 01-19-2013, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Wormydog1724

Do it Byron. I have two SBR's, one stamp received and one pending right now. There's just something about havin that short barrel that is totally badass. Jesse is sending his forms off as soon as he gets his lower back from the engravers. Might as well get in on the suppressors too.

They are definitely badass. Plus a 9mm carbine just "needs" to be SBR'd. Probably ought to be suppressed too but one step at a time.
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**AKguy1985** · 01-24-2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by 10Seconds

People worry about this but then have C&R licenses, so have basically given up rights to search their home over it.

Personally, and you can break out the tin foil if you want, it would not surprise me if much of the 4473 data is already cataloged on a computer database anyways. Unless you bought it for cash from a private seller, you are probably not as sneaky as you want to be.

As a C&R holder I have never had the ATF ask to come to my house.

**Erick** · 01-25-2013, 11:21 AM

I have one SBR now with two different uppers. I am debating whether or not to SBR a second receiver. It would be nice having two rifles but then I would have to get two different BCGs and stocks. I haven't seen the benefit of having the two when I can put that money towards more uppers. Opinions?

**CAR-AR-M16** · 01-25-2013, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by 10Seconds

People worry about this but then have C&R licenses, so have basically given up rights to search their home over it.

Having an NFA items does NOT give ATF any right to search your house. That is a common myth.

Originally Posted by 1fast8

the 4473s are not in a data base they are kept forever at the dealer so they would need to go to each dealer and look at them as of now. next year who knows there may be some big data base with all of us nut job gun owners in it

The 4473's are kept by the dealer until they go out of business. At that time, they are sent to ATF.

**Wormydog1724** · 01-25-2013, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Erick

I have one SBR now with two different uppers. I am debating whether or not to SBR a second receiver. It would be nice having two rifles but then I would have to get two different BCGs and stocks. I haven't seen the benefit of having the two when I can put that money towards more uppers. Opinions?

I went ahead and sent off for another sbr lower. I got really tired of swapping everything (upper, BCG, & charging handle) between 3 short uppers. Sold a 16" so I have the BCG and ch problem solved. I'm more of a two is one, one is none type of fella.
Ultimately it's up to you though.

**dustingaunder** · 01-25-2013, 02:06 PM

I probably wouldn't own a non SBR AR anymore. $200 added to the build cost. I have an SBR lower with a 16" barrel on it right now. I wanted a 16" upper I guess.

**Hump66** · 01-25-2013, 02:38 PM

Just for my own curiosity/clarification on the subject of SBR's:

If someone has 2 complete rifles, 1 of which is an SBR, and an extra short barrel upper, could/would that be seen as constructive intent on the non SBR?