Employers can forbid guns, a judge rules, issues an injunction against OK law.

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Employers can forbid guns, a judge rules


By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer
10/6/2007

He issues an injunction against an Oklahoma law.


A Tulsa federal judge has ruled against the state in its attempt to make sure employees can take guns onto their employers' property.

U.S. District Judge Terence Kern issued a permanent injunction against an Oklahoma law that would have kept employers from banning firearms at the workplace under certain conditions.

Kern decided in a 93-page written order issued Thursday that the amendments to the Oklahoma Firearms Act and the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, which were to go into effect in 2004, conflict with a federal law meant to protect employees at their jobs.

Kern said the amendments "criminally prohibit an effective method of reducing gun-related workplace injuries and cannot co-exist with federal obligations and objectives."

Whirlpool, which later bowed out of the case, filed the lawsuit on Oct. 27, 2004, against Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson and Gov. Brad Henry.

The company challenged amendments to the state firearms and self-defense laws, which, had they gone into effect, would have prevented business owners from prohibiting guns inside locked vehicles on company property.

Whirlpool alleged that the legislation, which was to go into effect on Nov. 1, 2004, was unconstitutional and would undermine its policies to protect its workers.

Then-U.S. Chief District Judge Sven Erik Holmes issued a temporary restraining order on Oct. 29, 2004, which prevented the amendments from going into effect while the court further analyzed the issues.

In June 2005, Henry signed HB 1243, which exempts employers from legal liability if the use of a gun stored in a worker's vehicle results in injury or death at the work site because of the acts of a third party.

Whirlpool Corp. opted out of the Tulsa lawsuit in November 2004, and the Williams Cos. and ConocoPhillips took over as the primary plaintiffs.

Williams later dropped out of the lawsuit, leaving ConocoPhillips, which is based in Houston but employs more than 3,000 people in Oklahoma, to carry on with the case.

Tulsa attorney Steve Broussard, representing ConocoPhillips, said Friday that the company is pleased with the ruling.

Kern concluded that the proposed changes to Oklahoma law conflict with -- and are legally pre-empted by -- the 1970 Occupational Health and Safety Act.

That federal law requires employers to lessen hazards in their workplaces that could lead to death or serious bodily harm. The measure also encourages employers to prevent gun-related workplace injuries.

According to Kern's opinion, Alaska, Kansas, Minnesota and Kentucky have passed similar laws, while 13 states have rejected such measures.

Kern's opinion is the first to address the constitutionality of these laws, it says.

Rep. Jerry Ellis, D-Valliant, the principal author of the 2004 bill in the House, said Friday, "I guess federal judges can do anything they want. They don't have to worry about the voters."

He said disgruntled workers who shoot people in the workplace are going to do so no matter what laws are on the books.

Ellis said this week's decision increases the chances that someone will kill a lot of people before law enforcement personnel can respond to a 911 call.

"A hand on a gun is better than a cop on the phone," he said.

Ellis also said the ruling decreases the chances that employees can protect themselves on the way home from work.

Assistant Attorney General Sherry Todd said Friday that Kern's opinion likely will be appealed.

Roughly 1,000 people are killed at work each year, and guns are used in 80 percent of those deaths, according to the American Bar Association.

The ABA went on record earlier this year supporting the right of employers "to exclude from the workplace and other private property persons in possession of firearms or other weapons."

Proponents of such company policies point to a 2003 massacre in Mississippi.

In July 2003, a Lockheed Martin employee abruptly left a training session at the company's Meridian, Miss., plant and retrieved a shotgun and semiautomatic rifle from his truck in the employee parking lot.

He opened fire on co-workers, killing six and wounding eight. Afterward, authorities retrieved three more guns from his truck.

Brian Siebel, senior attorney at the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, was quoted by the Associated Press earlier this year as saying, "Unfortunately, this is an all-too-common event. A gun is available in the parking lot for an employee who may be unstable and who reaches a snapping point."

Meanwhile, the National Rifle Association has embarked on a state-by-state campaign to get legislatures to enact laws that require employers to allow their workers to bring guns onto company parking lots.

"When you get off work at 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock and you're driving home, you have the right to protect yourself if you're accosted on the highway," Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president has said.

The amendments to Oklahoma law were made after forest products giant Weyerhauser Corp. fired eight employees in 2002 when guns were found in their cars on company lots in Oklahoma. Federal courts later upheld the firings.



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Guys we really need to get this pile of crap overturned in a big way!

Let's PLEASE get organized and do something about this ridiculous ruling
 

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the biggest problem is going to be that there are not very many conoco-philllps locations in the state most of them are independent companies who just fly the conoco - phillips flag

Does not matter. They still sell C-P products, if they are forced to switch it hits C-P.

This effectively limits the ability of every Oklahoman to defend themselves to and from work every day.

Seriously, what can we do? I'd like to get involved. This did not even address the At-Will portion of Oklahoma law that says they need no reason to fire you. I can live with that. It was based strictly on OSHA, which *NO WHERE* mentions handguns. OSHA is about companies providing safe workplaces, equipment, practices and procedures, not limiting individuals rights. I believe such an interpretation is outside the legislative intent of OSHA.

Good thing my company does not own the parking facility I use.
 

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That's ridiculous. Sometimes I think we should have to elect our judges too. No one knows about judges, and they can cause so much harm to our country. Like they guy said, they don't have to worry about what the public has to say.
 

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I guess I'm probably in the minority here, but I think employers should have the right to not allow guns on their property. It is their property after all. This being said, I don't agree with companies that choose not to allow employees to have guns in locked vehicles, but I still think the company has that choice/right. I can always choose to not support such companies, by not purchasing their stock, products, or working there.
 

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I guess I'm probably in the minority here, but I think employers should have the right to not allow guns on their property. It is their property after all. This being said, I don't agree with companies that choose not to allow employees to have guns in locked vehicles, but I still think the company has that choice/right. I can always choose to not support such companies, by not purchasing their stock, products, or working there.


Is there a difference in your vehicle and your home. Both are your domain. If the state of OK chose to not allow you to keep guns in your home, which is your property, but is also the property of the state of OK. Would you move. You would still have the choice of not living in OK, and not supporting businesses in OK, right? I know this sounds far fetched but, it is one and the same IMHO. Its your domain to do as you wish as given to us all by blood.

I do not agree at all. Its my automobile, my domain. They dont want guns on there property fine, I wont let my gun leave my domain while on your property. Like said by someone on this board. "I refuse to ask permission to defend myself."
 

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