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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2410457" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>It's a simple question for me.</p><p></p><p>Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. If a man is rushing me with a knife and I shoot him twice in the chest and he goes to the ground and drops his knife, then the threat to my life has been substantially reduced. If I then shoot him twice more while he is on the ground, well, he was no longer an imminent threat to me at that point in time - i.e., I may have just committed murder. <strong>See: <a href="http://newsok.com/pharmacyshootings" target="_blank">Jerome Erstland</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p>However, if he drops to the ground, drops his knife, then gets back up and rushes me again, well, then the threat to my life has been restored. Yes, even without the knife in his hand! Plenty of instances out there where a single punch from an "unarmed" attacker has killed or completely incapacitated a victim. <strong>See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Knockout_Game" target="_blank">The Knockout Game</a></strong>. Therefore, if I am being rushed by someone of significant physical means to cause me harm, I have to assume that a single punch could incapacitate me and leave me helpless and at their mercy. <strong>See: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbaREVdEQPI" target="_blank">Sgt. Mohammed Deen</a></strong>. I don't want to end up in that situation, therefore, from my professional (dare I claim "expert"?) medical opinion, a punch from a full-grown attacker IS equivalent to deadly force.</p><p></p><p>So I don't feel I have to wait until someone has a weapon, if they put me in fear of my life AND expresses a PHYSICAL movement toward me, I feel perfectly justified in using deadly force to counter. If you're within a reasonable distance, have given me reason to fear for my safety (not just life... remember, <strong>death OR significant bodily harm!</strong>) and attempt to convert that threat into any form of physical action, I am within my right to protect my life. </p><p></p><p>To stop the threat, but not beyond.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2410457, member: 9374"] It's a simple question for me. Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. If a man is rushing me with a knife and I shoot him twice in the chest and he goes to the ground and drops his knife, then the threat to my life has been substantially reduced. If I then shoot him twice more while he is on the ground, well, he was no longer an imminent threat to me at that point in time - i.e., I may have just committed murder. [B]See: [URL="http://newsok.com/pharmacyshootings"]Jerome Erstland[/URL][/B]. However, if he drops to the ground, drops his knife, then gets back up and rushes me again, well, then the threat to my life has been restored. Yes, even without the knife in his hand! Plenty of instances out there where a single punch from an "unarmed" attacker has killed or completely incapacitated a victim. [B]See: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Knockout_Game"]The Knockout Game[/URL][/B]. Therefore, if I am being rushed by someone of significant physical means to cause me harm, I have to assume that a single punch could incapacitate me and leave me helpless and at their mercy. [B]See: [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbaREVdEQPI"]Sgt. Mohammed Deen[/URL][/B]. I don't want to end up in that situation, therefore, from my professional (dare I claim "expert"?) medical opinion, a punch from a full-grown attacker IS equivalent to deadly force. So I don't feel I have to wait until someone has a weapon, if they put me in fear of my life AND expresses a PHYSICAL movement toward me, I feel perfectly justified in using deadly force to counter. If you're within a reasonable distance, have given me reason to fear for my safety (not just life... remember, [B]death OR significant bodily harm![/B]) and attempt to convert that threat into any form of physical action, I am within my right to protect my life. To stop the threat, but not beyond. [/QUOTE]
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