Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
Latest activity
Classifieds
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Log in
Register
What's New?
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More Options
Advertise with us
Contact Us
Close Menu
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Forums
The Range
Law & Order
A gun control proposal that everyone should support
Search titles only
By:
Reply to Thread
This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2141540" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>It concerns me from a safety standpoint. At some point along the way, many (not all) agencies developed policies and procedures that seem to utilize these "knock" raids that are nothing more than thinly veiled no knock raids. When you hit a residence at 5-6AM, knock and yell "Police!" then hit the door with a ram in 5-10 seconds, that isn't any reasonable amount of time for anyone to come open the door if they're asleep. In U.S. V. Banks, SCOTUS set a standard of 15-20 seconds, but that the actual time could be shorter based on the totality of the circumstances. In most all raid service I've viewed, the time interval is significantly less.</p><p></p><p>Even no-knocks have climbed dramatically. The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005 by some estimates. Raids that lead to deaths of innocent people are increasingly common. Since the early 1980s, 40 bystanders have been killed according to the Cato Institute.</p><p></p><p>I'm VERY pro-LE, but excessive use of raids leads to PR problems and unnecessarily endangers innocent people. It's a pretty simple equation that we can't reasonably capture every criminal. Based on the totality of the circumstances, some of these raids just don't make sense in the grand scheme of things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2141540, member: 1132"] It concerns me from a safety standpoint. At some point along the way, many (not all) agencies developed policies and procedures that seem to utilize these "knock" raids that are nothing more than thinly veiled no knock raids. When you hit a residence at 5-6AM, knock and yell "Police!" then hit the door with a ram in 5-10 seconds, that isn't any reasonable amount of time for anyone to come open the door if they're asleep. In U.S. V. Banks, SCOTUS set a standard of 15-20 seconds, but that the actual time could be shorter based on the totality of the circumstances. In most all raid service I've viewed, the time interval is significantly less. Even no-knocks have climbed dramatically. The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005 by some estimates. Raids that lead to deaths of innocent people are increasingly common. Since the early 1980s, 40 bystanders have been killed according to the Cato Institute. I'm VERY pro-LE, but excessive use of raids leads to PR problems and unnecessarily endangers innocent people. It's a pretty simple equation that we can't reasonably capture every criminal. Based on the totality of the circumstances, some of these raids just don't make sense in the grand scheme of things. [/QUOTE]
Insert Quotes…
Verification
Post Reply
Forums
The Range
Law & Order
A gun control proposal that everyone should support
Search titles only
By:
Top
Bottom