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<blockquote data-quote="nofearfactor" data-source="post: 2590421" data-attributes="member: 1535"><p>The first time I ever saw any of this corn gas was when I moved to Des Moines Iowa from California summer 1999 before I moved on down to Oklahoma in 2002. I was already paying in the 4s for gas back in northern Cali that summer. The 'corn' gas was cheaper and was becoming the next big thing out in the midwest that summer. I had a turbo Supra and used premium so I tried to stay away from it but my wife used it in her car against my wishes. No surprise finding out that Iowas Sen Grassley was the man helping push the corn industry in Washington- not weird for a dude from a top corn producing state with a university devoted to agriculture bio technology. My first house I bought in Iowa looked out on miles of my neighbors corn fields in all directions. </p><p></p><p>I found this:</p><p>"Corn was on an upswing in 2005 with the expectation that EPA would make refiners use ever-growing amounts of ethanol every year. Back then, oil imports were soaring, gasoline demand was expected to continue to grow, and supporters saw ethanol as a tool for reducing the United States’ reliance on the Middle East while curbing greenhouse gases.</p><p></p><p>But since then, the North American energy boom has cut the need for Mideast oil, and some green groups have vocally abandoned their support for corn ethanol, blaming the crop for polluting water supplies, wiping out conservation land and even increasing carbon emissions. (Some environmentalists still hold out hope for more “advanced” forms of ethanol, such as those made from corn husks or switch grass.) Pig and cow farmers argue that ethanol drives up the price of their feed, chain restaurateurs complain it makes eating out more expensive, and the powerful oil industry warns that the mandate will drive up gasoline prices.</p><p></p><p>“Corn ethanol’s brand has been seriously dented in the last 18 months,” said Craig Cox, director of the Ames, Iowa, office of the Environmental Working Group, an environmental organization that opposes the mandate as it’s now structured. “The industry is still very politically well-connected, especially in the Midwest &#8230; but it certainly doesn’t occupy the same sort of pedestal that it occupied two years ago.”</p><p></p><p>Last fall, EPA gave the ethanol industry a scare that showed how much clout corn has lost: For the first time, the agency proposed to cut the amount of ethanol that gasoline refiners must use this year. Biofuel supporters said the move could put a permanent chill in their industry, which they say still provides a much-needed alternative to petroleum."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nofearfactor, post: 2590421, member: 1535"] The first time I ever saw any of this corn gas was when I moved to Des Moines Iowa from California summer 1999 before I moved on down to Oklahoma in 2002. I was already paying in the 4s for gas back in northern Cali that summer. The 'corn' gas was cheaper and was becoming the next big thing out in the midwest that summer. I had a turbo Supra and used premium so I tried to stay away from it but my wife used it in her car against my wishes. No surprise finding out that Iowas Sen Grassley was the man helping push the corn industry in Washington- not weird for a dude from a top corn producing state with a university devoted to agriculture bio technology. My first house I bought in Iowa looked out on miles of my neighbors corn fields in all directions. I found this: "Corn was on an upswing in 2005 with the expectation that EPA would make refiners use ever-growing amounts of ethanol every year. Back then, oil imports were soaring, gasoline demand was expected to continue to grow, and supporters saw ethanol as a tool for reducing the United States’ reliance on the Middle East while curbing greenhouse gases. But since then, the North American energy boom has cut the need for Mideast oil, and some green groups have vocally abandoned their support for corn ethanol, blaming the crop for polluting water supplies, wiping out conservation land and even increasing carbon emissions. (Some environmentalists still hold out hope for more “advanced” forms of ethanol, such as those made from corn husks or switch grass.) Pig and cow farmers argue that ethanol drives up the price of their feed, chain restaurateurs complain it makes eating out more expensive, and the powerful oil industry warns that the mandate will drive up gasoline prices. “Corn ethanol’s brand has been seriously dented in the last 18 months,” said Craig Cox, director of the Ames, Iowa, office of the Environmental Working Group, an environmental organization that opposes the mandate as it’s now structured. “The industry is still very politically well-connected, especially in the Midwest … but it certainly doesn’t occupy the same sort of pedestal that it occupied two years ago.” Last fall, EPA gave the ethanol industry a scare that showed how much clout corn has lost: For the first time, the agency proposed to cut the amount of ethanol that gasoline refiners must use this year. Biofuel supporters said the move could put a permanent chill in their industry, which they say still provides a much-needed alternative to petroleum." [/QUOTE]
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