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<blockquote data-quote="Lurker66" data-source="post: 2474490" data-attributes="member: 24459"><p>Your not intruding. You speak of rights as being positive or negative, sure I understand that. There is also enumerated Rights such as the Bill of Rights and there's also implied Rights. Let's talk of this positive right to healthcare. My examples, life, limb or other emergency healthcare is a right. A positive right. Every Doctor takes an oath before getting that license to practice. Doctors are obligated to treat and hospitals are obligated to provide care for all life or limb type emergencies. So yes, here in the U.S., basic emergency healthcare is a positive right.</p><p></p><p>As to who has to pay or absorb the cost of the uninsured, that's the point of providing basic healthcare insurance to those who can't afford it or have no means to afford it ie; elderly, children, unemployed or those who are disabled or unemployable. There is still a duty to provide care and thusly presumed right. So if you fall and break your back, rather than lay n squiggle around in the street suffering, somebody with a civic duty to act, can take you to an emergency room and they must provide basic emergency care. Payment will be settled up some other day.</p><p></p><p>As to duty, yes each and every citizen has a duty to participate in our govt, state, community and family. You have a duty to provide for your wife, children or dog. That's why we made and passed laws that force that duty on you. That's the rule of law. You have a duty, if you don't meet your obligations, then usually a law is passed that will "impose" the will of the people on you.</p><p></p><p>Now some civic duties cannot be legislated, such as voting. Others such as military service can, ie. military draft. </p><p></p><p>You can have a right to vote but there is no right to join military.</p><p></p><p>Now back to that pesky question about basic healthcare. With the passage of Obamacare, citizens gained a right to buy healthcare insurance. Whether it's a positive or negative right no longer matters. It's a right that now exists and has the power of law behind it.</p><p></p><p>As to your last question about how companies came to provide insurance, yes I'm very aware. And yes, I happen to agree that when a company says they will provide certain benefits to get contracts, then they better not renege, or we will impose more "rights" favorable to the workers. That's the right to form unions. You see, I firmly believe when a company agrees to a contract, they should, in good faith, honor that contract.</p><p></p><p>If they make promises to provide a pension, insurance and other benefits then they have a obligation or duty to keep that promise. Its the same if you and I come to an agreement. If i agree to mow your yard for $10 and you provide for my healthcare insurance, then your obligated and have a duty to pay and provide insurance. If you break the contract, I can't unmow your yard. So I seek protection from unscrupulous employers that will force you to fulfill your obligations and duties.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lurker66, post: 2474490, member: 24459"] Your not intruding. You speak of rights as being positive or negative, sure I understand that. There is also enumerated Rights such as the Bill of Rights and there's also implied Rights. Let's talk of this positive right to healthcare. My examples, life, limb or other emergency healthcare is a right. A positive right. Every Doctor takes an oath before getting that license to practice. Doctors are obligated to treat and hospitals are obligated to provide care for all life or limb type emergencies. So yes, here in the U.S., basic emergency healthcare is a positive right. As to who has to pay or absorb the cost of the uninsured, that's the point of providing basic healthcare insurance to those who can't afford it or have no means to afford it ie; elderly, children, unemployed or those who are disabled or unemployable. There is still a duty to provide care and thusly presumed right. So if you fall and break your back, rather than lay n squiggle around in the street suffering, somebody with a civic duty to act, can take you to an emergency room and they must provide basic emergency care. Payment will be settled up some other day. As to duty, yes each and every citizen has a duty to participate in our govt, state, community and family. You have a duty to provide for your wife, children or dog. That's why we made and passed laws that force that duty on you. That's the rule of law. You have a duty, if you don't meet your obligations, then usually a law is passed that will "impose" the will of the people on you. Now some civic duties cannot be legislated, such as voting. Others such as military service can, ie. military draft. You can have a right to vote but there is no right to join military. Now back to that pesky question about basic healthcare. With the passage of Obamacare, citizens gained a right to buy healthcare insurance. Whether it's a positive or negative right no longer matters. It's a right that now exists and has the power of law behind it. As to your last question about how companies came to provide insurance, yes I'm very aware. And yes, I happen to agree that when a company says they will provide certain benefits to get contracts, then they better not renege, or we will impose more "rights" favorable to the workers. That's the right to form unions. You see, I firmly believe when a company agrees to a contract, they should, in good faith, honor that contract. If they make promises to provide a pension, insurance and other benefits then they have a obligation or duty to keep that promise. Its the same if you and I come to an agreement. If i agree to mow your yard for $10 and you provide for my healthcare insurance, then your obligated and have a duty to pay and provide insurance. If you break the contract, I can't unmow your yard. So I seek protection from unscrupulous employers that will force you to fulfill your obligations and duties. [/QUOTE]
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