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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 2191165" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>I think legal precedence is with signs like "shirt/tie required" or "No shirt, no shoes, no service". If someone goes in a place of business not dressed in the attire specified, and the owner chooses to call the police instead of asking that person to leave, the responding officer will in all likelihood not issue you a trespass citation, but ask the owner if they have asked you to leave (in case you might have missed the sign) and then ask you to leave. If the owner does ask you to leave and you refuse (but aren't acting in accordance with felony trespassing), then it's only a misdemeanor. Now if you're being a jackass and taking it up a notch, it could qualify as felony trespassing (especially when a gun is involved - others can feel "threatened" by your actions if they're even remotely aggressive should they know you have a gun).</p><p></p><p>That's presumed to be the case with concealed carry since the "no guns" or similar sign holds the same weight legally. If I happen to not see a sign and carry in a place that is completely legal to carry in per Oklahoma state law, I really can't be issued a citation based on the sign (it's not an official sign like a speed limit sign) if my defense is that I did not see the sign and the sign isn't really an official sign that I should recognize anyways (or that the sign is too cryptic to understand like the revolver-buster sign when I happen to be carrying a semi-auto, etc...).</p><p></p><p>Now if you carry where you shouldn't on an anti-gunner's private property and get caught - and are asked to leave, you absolutely should (legally) as you are now risking trespassing charges. Owning private property does not, however, give you the right to detain someone, so if you are told to stay there and someone is calling the cops because you're carrying on private property despite a gun-buster sign, you have no obligation to follow their orders - you can simply explain that you didn't see the sign and leave (even here you've technically broken no laws).</p><p></p><p>This is why I like open-carry laws - you can accidentally expose your concealed gun (and be seen by an anti-gunner) and there's no risk of being accused of "brandishing".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 2191165, member: 229"] I think legal precedence is with signs like "shirt/tie required" or "No shirt, no shoes, no service". If someone goes in a place of business not dressed in the attire specified, and the owner chooses to call the police instead of asking that person to leave, the responding officer will in all likelihood not issue you a trespass citation, but ask the owner if they have asked you to leave (in case you might have missed the sign) and then ask you to leave. If the owner does ask you to leave and you refuse (but aren't acting in accordance with felony trespassing), then it's only a misdemeanor. Now if you're being a jackass and taking it up a notch, it could qualify as felony trespassing (especially when a gun is involved - others can feel "threatened" by your actions if they're even remotely aggressive should they know you have a gun). That's presumed to be the case with concealed carry since the "no guns" or similar sign holds the same weight legally. If I happen to not see a sign and carry in a place that is completely legal to carry in per Oklahoma state law, I really can't be issued a citation based on the sign (it's not an official sign like a speed limit sign) if my defense is that I did not see the sign and the sign isn't really an official sign that I should recognize anyways (or that the sign is too cryptic to understand like the revolver-buster sign when I happen to be carrying a semi-auto, etc...). Now if you carry where you shouldn't on an anti-gunner's private property and get caught - and are asked to leave, you absolutely should (legally) as you are now risking trespassing charges. Owning private property does not, however, give you the right to detain someone, so if you are told to stay there and someone is calling the cops because you're carrying on private property despite a gun-buster sign, you have no obligation to follow their orders - you can simply explain that you didn't see the sign and leave (even here you've technically broken no laws). This is why I like open-carry laws - you can accidentally expose your concealed gun (and be seen by an anti-gunner) and there's no risk of being accused of "brandishing". [/QUOTE]
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