I haven't paid a whole lot of attention other than just recognizing some names of new arrivals; but what are some worth the money cheap entry rifles? Particularly suited to hunting. My brother / father are looking at buying a rifle to hunt with this year, but are starting out on a budget. I'm recommending .308 or .243 in particular, because of availability of each, that and they are both plenty suited to central OK deer, AND target shooting later. If it's my brother interested mostly, I'm pretty sure he'll want to be able to upgrade later, so that's a consideration. Stevens 200 - based on the Savage 110/10 series, lots of upgrades; cheap. No frills Howa 1500 - based on Weatherby Vanguard? which would also mean upgrades pretty easy to find. Not as cheap anymore, but reasonable. Marlin XS7 - what is the aftermarket on these? They look similar to the Savage 10/110 to me, but don't know how deep the resemblance is. Mossberg ATR/Maverick/4x4 etc - these worth anything? I know the Rem 710/770 are out, and the Savage Axis/Edge guns too. Some that may not have the aftermarket support but may be good guns: T/C Venture - stripped down version of the Icon Tikka T3 - not really stripped down anything, I've heard these are great if not looking to upgrade a lot. Also, what about entry level scopes? I know 3-9x is the most common, but I'm also thinking of range work, and I'd like to steer them to something that can be used satisfactorily for either. Would 4-12x be too much for hunting? Thanks for any advice.