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<blockquote data-quote="abajaj11" data-source="post: 1941016" data-attributes="member: 3553"><p>Check this out :</p><p>"Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. "</p><p></p><p>from :</p><p><a href="http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda" target="_blank">http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda</a></p><p></p><p>Go to bottom of page under crime. </p><p></p><p><u>My interpretation of what will happen if Obama / Biden are re-elected:</u></p><p><u></u></p><p><u>Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment:</u> </p><p>Currently under the Tiahrt amendment, law enforcement can already trace guns for crimes that are being actively investigated. No one else can use this data. These guys want to repeal this to allow any bureaucrats with a badge who want to ban guns to use data that they can manipulate to tell any story they want. So they won't have to manufacture a Fast & furious, they can use gun sale and ownership data to tell whatever story they want. Also, this may lead to back door registration of guns since next step will be that this data can be downloaded and stored by whoever is using it. Currently, it cannot be stored. </p><p></p><p><u>"Commonsense measures" and respecting 2A</u> depends on your perspective. It can mean anything you want.....like taking guns away from people because commonsense in the rest of the world dictates that ordinary people do not need guns. They have already maintained that 2A is a collective right, which means only the national guard can carry guns. So their idea of respecting 2A means taking guns away from individuals. </p><p></p><p><u>Federal regulations regarding Childproofing your firearms:</u> If there are kids in the house, you cannot own guns unless they are locked down tight so as to be unusable in an emergency. If anything happens with a kid (heaven forbid) through no fault of yours, you are toast. Federal jail time for many many years. BTW, gun deaths of kids is at the lowest point it has ever been in a 100 years. But they want to make all guns "childproof" at the FEDERAL level? what does that mean? That if a neighbor complains about "unsafe" behavior, there will be federal agents coming through your door to make sure your guns are "safely secured" as per federal guidelines. Commonsense, right? Just remember, their goal is to make gun owners appear like nut-jobs. Crazy Uncle Joe Biden already said publicly to someone in a crowd who had an Ar15....hey man, if you have one of those...basically called the man a nut. Talk about irony! </p><p></p><p>Check out this video featuring crazy uncle Joe Biden: </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36ldW_d0ALY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36ldW_d0ALY</a></p><p>Make sure you watch the second half! </p><p></p><p><u>Gun show loophole:</u> There is NO gun show loophole. ALL laws that apply outside gun shows apply in a gun show. If someone buys a gun from an FFL in a gun show, they NEED a 4473 background check as of TODAY. However, different States have different laws regarding sales of firearms AMONGST residents of that state who are not FFL dealers. This is their right under the Constitution. The feds have no right to tell the states how to regulate commerce within the State. In Oklahoma and many other freer states, right now, private party sales BETWEEN residents of Oklahoma only, do not require a background check. Regardless of whether the gun is sold at a gun show or outside a gun show; the venue does not matter. It is ALREADY against the law for a private-party, non-FFL OK resident to sell a gun to someone outside OK without going through an FFL dealer and a 4473 back ground check. Again, regardless of whether the gun is sold at a gun show or outside a gun show, that is, the venue does not matter.</p><p></p><p>When liberals talk about plugging a gun show loophole they are talking about federal regulation of ALL sales within a state, including private party sales amongst residents of that state. They want to have a federal record via form 4473 of ALL gun sales, even amongst private party, intra-state. </p><p>This is clear over reach of federal powers. Feds have no business tracking commerce within a State amongst residents of that state, who are not FFLs. </p><p>Check out this video to learn more: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqjD5MsTv4k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqjD5MsTv4k</a></p><p></p><p><u>Assault weapon ban:</u> Ban all mags higher than 10 rounds, ban all ar15 style weapons, basically all semi autos with mag caps higher than 10 rounds. IMHO, that would be a start to their bigger goal then of taking away all semi autos, then move to all handguns, then move to all rifles, and finally all shotguns. Just like in the UK. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Their agenda in their own words is on the website put at the beginning of the post. The rest of this post are my interpretations of what would happen by 2016. </p><p><img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="abajaj11, post: 1941016, member: 3553"] Check this out : "Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. " from : [url]http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda[/url] Go to bottom of page under crime. [U]My interpretation of what will happen if Obama / Biden are re-elected: [/U] [U]Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment:[/U] Currently under the Tiahrt amendment, law enforcement can already trace guns for crimes that are being actively investigated. No one else can use this data. These guys want to repeal this to allow any bureaucrats with a badge who want to ban guns to use data that they can manipulate to tell any story they want. So they won't have to manufacture a Fast & furious, they can use gun sale and ownership data to tell whatever story they want. Also, this may lead to back door registration of guns since next step will be that this data can be downloaded and stored by whoever is using it. Currently, it cannot be stored. [U]"Commonsense measures" and respecting 2A[/U] depends on your perspective. It can mean anything you want.....like taking guns away from people because commonsense in the rest of the world dictates that ordinary people do not need guns. They have already maintained that 2A is a collective right, which means only the national guard can carry guns. So their idea of respecting 2A means taking guns away from individuals. [U]Federal regulations regarding Childproofing your firearms:[/U] If there are kids in the house, you cannot own guns unless they are locked down tight so as to be unusable in an emergency. If anything happens with a kid (heaven forbid) through no fault of yours, you are toast. Federal jail time for many many years. BTW, gun deaths of kids is at the lowest point it has ever been in a 100 years. But they want to make all guns "childproof" at the FEDERAL level? what does that mean? That if a neighbor complains about "unsafe" behavior, there will be federal agents coming through your door to make sure your guns are "safely secured" as per federal guidelines. Commonsense, right? Just remember, their goal is to make gun owners appear like nut-jobs. Crazy Uncle Joe Biden already said publicly to someone in a crowd who had an Ar15....hey man, if you have one of those...basically called the man a nut. Talk about irony! Check out this video featuring crazy uncle Joe Biden: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36ldW_d0ALY[/url] Make sure you watch the second half! [U]Gun show loophole:[/U] There is NO gun show loophole. ALL laws that apply outside gun shows apply in a gun show. If someone buys a gun from an FFL in a gun show, they NEED a 4473 background check as of TODAY. However, different States have different laws regarding sales of firearms AMONGST residents of that state who are not FFL dealers. This is their right under the Constitution. The feds have no right to tell the states how to regulate commerce within the State. In Oklahoma and many other freer states, right now, private party sales BETWEEN residents of Oklahoma only, do not require a background check. Regardless of whether the gun is sold at a gun show or outside a gun show; the venue does not matter. It is ALREADY against the law for a private-party, non-FFL OK resident to sell a gun to someone outside OK without going through an FFL dealer and a 4473 back ground check. Again, regardless of whether the gun is sold at a gun show or outside a gun show, that is, the venue does not matter. When liberals talk about plugging a gun show loophole they are talking about federal regulation of ALL sales within a state, including private party sales amongst residents of that state. They want to have a federal record via form 4473 of ALL gun sales, even amongst private party, intra-state. This is clear over reach of federal powers. Feds have no business tracking commerce within a State amongst residents of that state, who are not FFLs. Check out this video to learn more: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqjD5MsTv4k[/url] [U]Assault weapon ban:[/U] Ban all mags higher than 10 rounds, ban all ar15 style weapons, basically all semi autos with mag caps higher than 10 rounds. IMHO, that would be a start to their bigger goal then of taking away all semi autos, then move to all handguns, then move to all rifles, and finally all shotguns. Just like in the UK. Their agenda in their own words is on the website put at the beginning of the post. The rest of this post are my interpretations of what would happen by 2016. :) [/QUOTE]
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