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I can report one small Oklahoma victory for gun owners and the 2nd amendment!
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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 806498" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>What you both are missing is that the only law you'd be guilty of by carrying on a private business that doesn't want you carrying is trespassing. And then only if they've asked you to leave and you refuse (and even then, most likely only misdemeanor trespassing unless they're forcing you to leave and you resist, or you vandalize something).</p><p></p><p>That's the only relevance that the SDA laws on the subject is that someone can cite the fact that they don't want you on their property by way of utilizing the SDA - its exactly the same thing as "no shirt, no shoes, no service" and yes, there are laws/ordinances that have been passed to enforce that stupid sign too (though to be fair, after watching peopleofwalmart.com I can totally understand where that law came from).</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only liability you're leaving yourself open to is brandishing - and that's if you're carrying poorly enough that you've been spotted by a business owner (and I disagree that printing=brandishing). However, a gun falling out of a holster, or a slip of the cover garment and full exposure... those are all things that if a business owner was so inclined, he could press charges for brandishing in his business.</p><p></p><p>I'm not a total douche, so I would never do that.</p><p></p><p>There is also no legal precedence for pressing any charges against someone who carries in private places with just a sign. That's because when it comes down to it - that gunbuster sign doesn't mean anything more than the no-shirt/no-shoes sign.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 806498, member: 229"] What you both are missing is that the only law you'd be guilty of by carrying on a private business that doesn't want you carrying is trespassing. And then only if they've asked you to leave and you refuse (and even then, most likely only misdemeanor trespassing unless they're forcing you to leave and you resist, or you vandalize something). That's the only relevance that the SDA laws on the subject is that someone can cite the fact that they don't want you on their property by way of utilizing the SDA - its exactly the same thing as "no shirt, no shoes, no service" and yes, there are laws/ordinances that have been passed to enforce that stupid sign too (though to be fair, after watching peopleofwalmart.com I can totally understand where that law came from). The only liability you're leaving yourself open to is brandishing - and that's if you're carrying poorly enough that you've been spotted by a business owner (and I disagree that printing=brandishing). However, a gun falling out of a holster, or a slip of the cover garment and full exposure... those are all things that if a business owner was so inclined, he could press charges for brandishing in his business. I'm not a total douche, so I would never do that. There is also no legal precedence for pressing any charges against someone who carries in private places with just a sign. That's because when it comes down to it - that gunbuster sign doesn't mean anything more than the no-shirt/no-shoes sign. [/QUOTE]
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