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<blockquote data-quote="uncle money bags" data-source="post: 2822438" data-attributes="member: 8377"><p>For the record, I dont have any interest in weapons outside of real world, get in the ****, rely on them to save your life types. I will also admit that my go to rifle is a piston weapon, but not an AR platform. I selected it because I found that a sub 11.5 inch barrel on the AR FOW to have a very narrow dwell time which is only exacerbated by being suppressed or if the gas port is larger than optimal. It takes work to make sure the weapon ran as close to 100 per cent as possible under circumstances that the large majority of shooters do not have the luxury of experiencing. </p><p>A spec build AR, with a barrel length of 11.5 inches and longer, with a DI system is just as reliable as any piston system under the same conditions. </p><p></p><p>The main difference; and in my experience the only real difference, is the DI system needs to be run wet. I have done work, and worked with the AR FOW and AK series for almost 3 decades. The notion that a modern, spec built DI AR needs to be kept clean to run is a fallacy. Do yourself a favor and look up "BCM Filthy 14". As long as the working parts are serviceable,(same as any other weapon), lube is the biggest reliability factor related to the AR itself that needs attention. </p><p>With respect to lubrication, there are lubes and there are LUBES. Yes, A DI AR will burn them off more quickly. If you experience a lubricated related malfunction on a DI weapon before you have expended a basic load while adhering to the maximum sustained rate of fire then you chose the wrong lube, or didn't use it correctly. Interestingly enough, the max sustained ROF fire the M4 and the HK416 are exactly the same. That is a clue. Even with my suppressed Mk18, lube was never an issue, and I can promise you I gave it every chance to be. An out of spec upper receiver finally killed that particular weapon at about 9800 rounds. DI is hardly ever the issue for longer barrels, but the build quality will be almost every time. Just so you dont think I am bagging on the mid range and lower AR's, my Mk18 upper was Daniel Defense and cost more by itself than a bone stock Colt 6920. </p><p></p><p>Damn near every serious shooter* I personally know that runs an AR DI platform eschews cleaning them except to inspect parts for wear and breakage. They perform these checks at intervals commensurate with their firing schedule. The harsher it is, the more often they do it but none of them are doing it at less than 1000 rounds between inspections. What they all do, is keep them well lubed. What they all experience, are reliable weapons.</p><p></p><p>*people whose jobs involve using a weapon, under ****** conditions, to kill people who need killing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="uncle money bags, post: 2822438, member: 8377"] For the record, I dont have any interest in weapons outside of real world, get in the ****, rely on them to save your life types. I will also admit that my go to rifle is a piston weapon, but not an AR platform. I selected it because I found that a sub 11.5 inch barrel on the AR FOW to have a very narrow dwell time which is only exacerbated by being suppressed or if the gas port is larger than optimal. It takes work to make sure the weapon ran as close to 100 per cent as possible under circumstances that the large majority of shooters do not have the luxury of experiencing. A spec build AR, with a barrel length of 11.5 inches and longer, with a DI system is just as reliable as any piston system under the same conditions. The main difference; and in my experience the only real difference, is the DI system needs to be run wet. I have done work, and worked with the AR FOW and AK series for almost 3 decades. The notion that a modern, spec built DI AR needs to be kept clean to run is a fallacy. Do yourself a favor and look up "BCM Filthy 14". As long as the working parts are serviceable,(same as any other weapon), lube is the biggest reliability factor related to the AR itself that needs attention. With respect to lubrication, there are lubes and there are LUBES. Yes, A DI AR will burn them off more quickly. If you experience a lubricated related malfunction on a DI weapon before you have expended a basic load while adhering to the maximum sustained rate of fire then you chose the wrong lube, or didn't use it correctly. Interestingly enough, the max sustained ROF fire the M4 and the HK416 are exactly the same. That is a clue. Even with my suppressed Mk18, lube was never an issue, and I can promise you I gave it every chance to be. An out of spec upper receiver finally killed that particular weapon at about 9800 rounds. DI is hardly ever the issue for longer barrels, but the build quality will be almost every time. Just so you dont think I am bagging on the mid range and lower AR's, my Mk18 upper was Daniel Defense and cost more by itself than a bone stock Colt 6920. Damn near every serious shooter* I personally know that runs an AR DI platform eschews cleaning them except to inspect parts for wear and breakage. They perform these checks at intervals commensurate with their firing schedule. The harsher it is, the more often they do it but none of them are doing it at less than 1000 rounds between inspections. What they all do, is keep them well lubed. What they all experience, are reliable weapons. *people whose jobs involve using a weapon, under ****** conditions, to kill people who need killing. [/QUOTE]
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