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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2893572" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>I can tell ya, if you wanna talk microbiology, immunology and virology on a micromolecular scale - like the people who develop these vaccines do - then and <strong>ONLY </strong>then will you even <strong>begin </strong>to grasp how complicated this subject is. Claiming "we deserve safe vaccines" is such a ridiculous oversimplification and ignores the millions and <strong>millions </strong>of man-hours put in by these highly-trained researchers (MDs, PhDs, etc - literally <strong>thousands </strong>of them).</p><p></p><p>No... vaccines aren't perfect. Not at all. But they are a whole helluva godd**n lot better than seeing kids die or become crippled in <strong><u>droves</u></strong>, rather than a very VERY few rare reactions.</p><p></p><p>Seriously... the people who debate this subject endlessly may have read a ton of accounts, even some studies, but having an actual working knowledge of the concepts involved in producing these vaccines? Not a fecking chance, man. I had a couple of graduate-level classes in this stuff, and I can tell you, we didn't even scratch the surface, and I can't even remember 1/10th of what we learned.</p><p></p><p>Seriously, there are just not enough adjectives to adequately describe the complexity of this field - so if you think you can second-guess the people who do it for a living, I'd seriously invite you to put on a labcoat and get to f***ing work. <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>I'm not being hateful or an ass, really, I'm not... I respect the people in this debate and I respect the opinions. I'm chiming in as someone who understands the complexity of the subject, the arguments on both sides and the passion on both sides, I'm just saying, someone may consider themselves educated by reading a lot on the internet about these things and their history - but making trite claims that we should just somehow "do better" only proves the point, which is that they don't truly understand the subject.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2893572, member: 9374"] I can tell ya, if you wanna talk microbiology, immunology and virology on a micromolecular scale - like the people who develop these vaccines do - then and [B]ONLY [/B]then will you even [B]begin [/B]to grasp how complicated this subject is. Claiming "we deserve safe vaccines" is such a ridiculous oversimplification and ignores the millions and [B]millions [/B]of man-hours put in by these highly-trained researchers (MDs, PhDs, etc - literally [B]thousands [/B]of them). No... vaccines aren't perfect. Not at all. But they are a whole helluva godd**n lot better than seeing kids die or become crippled in [B][U]droves[/U][/B], rather than a very VERY few rare reactions. Seriously... the people who debate this subject endlessly may have read a ton of accounts, even some studies, but having an actual working knowledge of the concepts involved in producing these vaccines? Not a fecking chance, man. I had a couple of graduate-level classes in this stuff, and I can tell you, we didn't even scratch the surface, and I can't even remember 1/10th of what we learned. Seriously, there are just not enough adjectives to adequately describe the complexity of this field - so if you think you can second-guess the people who do it for a living, I'd seriously invite you to put on a labcoat and get to f***ing work. :D I'm not being hateful or an ass, really, I'm not... I respect the people in this debate and I respect the opinions. I'm chiming in as someone who understands the complexity of the subject, the arguments on both sides and the passion on both sides, I'm just saying, someone may consider themselves educated by reading a lot on the internet about these things and their history - but making trite claims that we should just somehow "do better" only proves the point, which is that they don't truly understand the subject. [/QUOTE]
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