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<blockquote data-quote="hrdware" data-source="post: 1847015" data-attributes="member: 24475"><p>The fact is that officers are not required in statute to check for an ID. A city or department may adopt their own policy to require officers to check or not. The problem with the ID checks is that although allowed by Oklahoma statute, unless there is suspicion a crime has been/is being/is about to be committed, they are unconstitutional by Supreme Court rulings.</p><p></p><p>I have already heard people say they will comply with officers and show them their IDs, and also ask the officers name and badge number to file a civil rights complaint. Eventually people will get tired of filing complaints and file a 4A violation lawsuit against the department and eventually the city/department will have to pay (based upon supreme court rulings).</p><p></p><p>OKOCA will be working with the Oklahoma Association of Chiefs of Police to try and develop suggested policies for departments so officer safety can still be considered, but the rights of law abiding citizens are not violated. We have also had discussions with the Oklahoma Association of Municipal Attorneys in hopes that city attorneys will realize the potential for 4A violations as well.</p><p></p><p>One reason I'm not a fan of having my information in a tag like the OP posted is because of camera phones. Yes it is hard to read, but snap a pic as you walk by with a phone in your hand and you can figure it out later. Something similar that is kept in a front pocket might not be a bad idea though.</p><p></p><p>Also to keep this on topic here is the requested pic:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]22593[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hrdware, post: 1847015, member: 24475"] The fact is that officers are not required in statute to check for an ID. A city or department may adopt their own policy to require officers to check or not. The problem with the ID checks is that although allowed by Oklahoma statute, unless there is suspicion a crime has been/is being/is about to be committed, they are unconstitutional by Supreme Court rulings. I have already heard people say they will comply with officers and show them their IDs, and also ask the officers name and badge number to file a civil rights complaint. Eventually people will get tired of filing complaints and file a 4A violation lawsuit against the department and eventually the city/department will have to pay (based upon supreme court rulings). OKOCA will be working with the Oklahoma Association of Chiefs of Police to try and develop suggested policies for departments so officer safety can still be considered, but the rights of law abiding citizens are not violated. We have also had discussions with the Oklahoma Association of Municipal Attorneys in hopes that city attorneys will realize the potential for 4A violations as well. One reason I'm not a fan of having my information in a tag like the OP posted is because of camera phones. Yes it is hard to read, but snap a pic as you walk by with a phone in your hand and you can figure it out later. Something similar that is kept in a front pocket might not be a bad idea though. Also to keep this on topic here is the requested pic: [ATTACH=CONFIG]22593[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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