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RECOIL magazine thinks the MP7 is too much gun for you civvie scumbags!
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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 1894678" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>Actually Pump-action shotguns, and it's solid advice (most shotguns pattern at around 3" @under 10yds, the over-penetration / knockdown-power myth is absolutely silly, and contrary to what the gun-counter at Academy Sporting Goods tells us, the "racking" sound made by a pump-action is not going to scare the criminals away).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>It was ironically, one of the better gun rags out there - they demonstrated some real knowledge in several articles (bucking the traditional "gun-guy rumors" among the untrained). I'm honestly kind of down about this whole thing - it's bad for Recoil, but more importantly, it's bad for gun-owners as it represents a black-eye in our solidarity and shows that when faced with the proper pressure, even the most supportive of the 2nd amendment can falter.</p><p></p><p>ITS Tactical posted a write up about the whole thing (including the Recoil's first attempt at a facebook apology):</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.itstactical.com/centcom/its-information/the-recoil-magazine-2nd-amendment-controversy/" target="_blank">http://www.itstactical.com/centcom/its-information/the-recoil-magazine-2nd-amendment-controversy/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The whole thing boils down to two comments:</p><p></p><p><strong>HK's Mike Cabrera</strong> (who was a veteran of SWAT and an LEO for years before that) said "this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands." That's a true statement and he never specified civilians (at least not from what I read in the article). Now there are a lot of LEOs and especially SWAT folks out there (most not in the Midwest / Southwest states like ours) who are against the civilian ownership of guns, but I don't even think Mike Cabrera meant it this way - he was talking about how kick-ass this particular weapon was and just making the comment that in the wrong hands, its dangerous.</p><p></p><p>and <strong>Recoil Magazine's editor Jerry Tsai</strong> followed with "Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know thats technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and thats it."</p><p></p><p>Which essentially looks like Jerry is referring to civilians as the folks that Mike was talking about with his "wrong slimy hands" comment and basically puts him into the Fud category with the sporting-purpose comment as if firearms were not necessary for civilian defense.</p><p></p><p>Jerry has been a long-time supporter of real knowledge and real training, so this actually is kind of shocking to see that he wrote it. I didn't honestly want to comment when I first read it because it was such a downer to hear those words from someone who actually seemed to care about the shooting community.</p><p></p><p>I've got to say that he's reaped what he's sowing. They've lost sponsors, and their facebook page is taking a dive - in order to appease the mob, they'll probably can Jerry and he'll have learned a very hard lesson in life: When you're a writer for a public wide-spread publication... get your $#!+ straight before you put that thing to bed because if you're biting the hand that feeds you, you'll end up starving.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 1894678, member: 229"] Actually Pump-action shotguns, and it's solid advice (most shotguns pattern at around 3" @under 10yds, the over-penetration / knockdown-power myth is absolutely silly, and contrary to what the gun-counter at Academy Sporting Goods tells us, the "racking" sound made by a pump-action is not going to scare the criminals away). It was ironically, one of the better gun rags out there - they demonstrated some real knowledge in several articles (bucking the traditional "gun-guy rumors" among the untrained). I'm honestly kind of down about this whole thing - it's bad for Recoil, but more importantly, it's bad for gun-owners as it represents a black-eye in our solidarity and shows that when faced with the proper pressure, even the most supportive of the 2nd amendment can falter. ITS Tactical posted a write up about the whole thing (including the Recoil's first attempt at a facebook apology): [url]http://www.itstactical.com/centcom/its-information/the-recoil-magazine-2nd-amendment-controversy/[/url] The whole thing boils down to two comments: [B]HK's Mike Cabrera[/B] (who was a veteran of SWAT and an LEO for years before that) said "this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands." That's a true statement and he never specified civilians (at least not from what I read in the article). Now there are a lot of LEOs and especially SWAT folks out there (most not in the Midwest / Southwest states like ours) who are against the civilian ownership of guns, but I don't even think Mike Cabrera meant it this way - he was talking about how kick-ass this particular weapon was and just making the comment that in the wrong hands, its dangerous. and [B]Recoil Magazine's editor Jerry Tsai[/B] followed with "Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know thats technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and thats it." Which essentially looks like Jerry is referring to civilians as the folks that Mike was talking about with his "wrong slimy hands" comment and basically puts him into the Fud category with the sporting-purpose comment as if firearms were not necessary for civilian defense. Jerry has been a long-time supporter of real knowledge and real training, so this actually is kind of shocking to see that he wrote it. I didn't honestly want to comment when I first read it because it was such a downer to hear those words from someone who actually seemed to care about the shooting community. I've got to say that he's reaped what he's sowing. They've lost sponsors, and their facebook page is taking a dive - in order to appease the mob, they'll probably can Jerry and he'll have learned a very hard lesson in life: When you're a writer for a public wide-spread publication... get your $#!+ straight before you put that thing to bed because if you're biting the hand that feeds you, you'll end up starving. [/QUOTE]
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