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Ruger discontinuing the Mini 14 ????
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<blockquote data-quote="Peace_Maker" data-source="post: 710347" data-attributes="member: 2164"><p>I am probably one of the biggest proponents of the Garand system on this board. I think Garand should be a saint. I own a M1 and two M14's, they are my favorite rifles and I feel the M14 is the best battle rifle ever. I am not a fan of the AR's especially the 16" carbines that everyone thinks are battle rifles. </p><p></p><p>That being said I still believe the mini-14 is a POS. Why can my 66 year old M1 shoot 1.5" groups at 100 yards with 30 year old Greek surplus ammo, while the mini I owned shot 5" groups at 100 with Black hills ammo? They have similar systems the Garand has no accuracy enhancements (other than the barrel was re-crowned). </p><p></p><p>I know my Garand shoots a little better than average, but most shoot way under 3" and were talking 60+ year old rifles that have seen combat, corrosive ammo, and 40 years of hard use by GI's of several countries. Why can't a Ruger .223 version come close in terms of accuracy? My opinion is because it is a piece of ****! Crappy, materiel, crappy rendition of Garand's design, crappy manufacturing, and crappy Q/A. The only reason it is reliable is because it is a copy of Garand's design. Instead of building a .223 Garand or M14, Ruger built a $700 .223 SKS. </p><p></p><p>I have owned a mini-14, I traded it for a Remington 700, (second best trade I ever made, best was a 22/45 for a 700). It shot 5" 100 yard groups when I was lucky. I also hated that quality hi-caps cost around $50. </p><p></p><p>I am no big fan of the AR but in this case it beats the hell out of the mini-14, which is sad because there needs to be a quality .223 based on the Garand operating system. I seriously hope Ruger's piston AR is not the joke the mini is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peace_Maker, post: 710347, member: 2164"] I am probably one of the biggest proponents of the Garand system on this board. I think Garand should be a saint. I own a M1 and two M14's, they are my favorite rifles and I feel the M14 is the best battle rifle ever. I am not a fan of the AR's especially the 16" carbines that everyone thinks are battle rifles. That being said I still believe the mini-14 is a POS. Why can my 66 year old M1 shoot 1.5" groups at 100 yards with 30 year old Greek surplus ammo, while the mini I owned shot 5" groups at 100 with Black hills ammo? They have similar systems the Garand has no accuracy enhancements (other than the barrel was re-crowned). I know my Garand shoots a little better than average, but most shoot way under 3" and were talking 60+ year old rifles that have seen combat, corrosive ammo, and 40 years of hard use by GI's of several countries. Why can't a Ruger .223 version come close in terms of accuracy? My opinion is because it is a piece of ****! Crappy, materiel, crappy rendition of Garand's design, crappy manufacturing, and crappy Q/A. The only reason it is reliable is because it is a copy of Garand's design. Instead of building a .223 Garand or M14, Ruger built a $700 .223 SKS. I have owned a mini-14, I traded it for a Remington 700, (second best trade I ever made, best was a 22/45 for a 700). It shot 5" 100 yard groups when I was lucky. I also hated that quality hi-caps cost around $50. I am no big fan of the AR but in this case it beats the hell out of the mini-14, which is sad because there needs to be a quality .223 based on the Garand operating system. I seriously hope Ruger's piston AR is not the joke the mini is. [/QUOTE]
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