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<blockquote data-quote="GolfWhiskey" data-source="post: 2268368" data-attributes="member: 8068"><p>Hello. This is going to be a long post, so bear with me. First off I want to say that I am a huge critic of a lot of what President Obama has done. His record on domestic surveillance and the 4th Amendment in general is abysmal, and I think perhaps even more than Obamacare will be his legacy. In other words, I believe there are a number of extremely valid criticisms that can be (and should be) leveled against the President.</p><p></p><p>That being said, the whole Benghazi thing is just mind blowing. I don't know if you know who General Carter Ham is, but if you don't you should look him up. I had the distinct honor of serving under General Ham in Mosul Iraq and can verify from personal experience that he is one of the most competent, capable field commanders in the US Army. He ran his shop with an impeccable sense of concern for both the mission and the welfare of his soldiers (balancing these as a 1 star is a nearly impossible task) and as a result his AO was one of the most well-run of the entire war. General Ham was (and still is as far as I know) the commander of all forces in AFRICOM, and was the man in charge when the consulate attack happened. He had the authority to deploy any of the forces under his command to assist if he deemed it possible and/or necessary. The closest combat-ready force was located in Italy, some 8 hours away from Libya - this is assuming that an operational plan was in place and forces were ready to launch 1 minute after the attacks occurred. All sources state that the attacks took between 30 minutes and 1 hour.</p><p></p><p>Needless to say, any time someone accuses the President of purposefully or accidentally failing to act in Benghazi, they are also impugning both the honor and the competency of General Carter Ham - a man whose honor and competence are, as far as I'm concerned, above reproach. The ultimate responsibility rests with General Ham in this matter as he was literally the man with the immediate authority to intervene if he deemed it necessary. That he chose not to do so tells me all I need to know - that he realized by the time his QRF arrived, the attack would be over and sending fully armed soldiers into the middle of a hornets nest didn't work out so well in Mogadishu. Basically what I'm saying, in the most polite way I can, is that you have no idea what you are talking about and your desire to make the President look bad is also causing you to insult perhaps the greatest living American field officer. One should be careful before making such claims, especially if they are being made from a position of ignorance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GolfWhiskey, post: 2268368, member: 8068"] Hello. This is going to be a long post, so bear with me. First off I want to say that I am a huge critic of a lot of what President Obama has done. His record on domestic surveillance and the 4th Amendment in general is abysmal, and I think perhaps even more than Obamacare will be his legacy. In other words, I believe there are a number of extremely valid criticisms that can be (and should be) leveled against the President. That being said, the whole Benghazi thing is just mind blowing. I don't know if you know who General Carter Ham is, but if you don't you should look him up. I had the distinct honor of serving under General Ham in Mosul Iraq and can verify from personal experience that he is one of the most competent, capable field commanders in the US Army. He ran his shop with an impeccable sense of concern for both the mission and the welfare of his soldiers (balancing these as a 1 star is a nearly impossible task) and as a result his AO was one of the most well-run of the entire war. General Ham was (and still is as far as I know) the commander of all forces in AFRICOM, and was the man in charge when the consulate attack happened. He had the authority to deploy any of the forces under his command to assist if he deemed it possible and/or necessary. The closest combat-ready force was located in Italy, some 8 hours away from Libya - this is assuming that an operational plan was in place and forces were ready to launch 1 minute after the attacks occurred. All sources state that the attacks took between 30 minutes and 1 hour. Needless to say, any time someone accuses the President of purposefully or accidentally failing to act in Benghazi, they are also impugning both the honor and the competency of General Carter Ham - a man whose honor and competence are, as far as I'm concerned, above reproach. The ultimate responsibility rests with General Ham in this matter as he was literally the man with the immediate authority to intervene if he deemed it necessary. That he chose not to do so tells me all I need to know - that he realized by the time his QRF arrived, the attack would be over and sending fully armed soldiers into the middle of a hornets nest didn't work out so well in Mogadishu. Basically what I'm saying, in the most polite way I can, is that you have no idea what you are talking about and your desire to make the President look bad is also causing you to insult perhaps the greatest living American field officer. One should be careful before making such claims, especially if they are being made from a position of ignorance. [/QUOTE]
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