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<blockquote data-quote="uncle money bags" data-source="post: 2268756" data-attributes="member: 8377"><p>I appreciate your well spoken response to the quote by subprep. However, the key element to your argument rests on incorrect data. The closest military assets were not in italy, unless you were specifically referring to conventional US armed forces. This ignores the other personel; civilian and military, who were within 45 minutes travel time to Benghazi. In which case, you would be correct but your point is not valid.</p><p></p><p>General Ham is as you describe him in so far as I can tell from descriptions by persons who know more about him than I, including yourself. This does not explain why other assets were told to stand down by civilian leaders. The decision on the ground in that ao should have been the ranking US military officer at the scene. He wanted to go, and was told no. The responsibility for what happened after that moment rests in the hands of the ordering authority that denied the request, and that person was not General Ham. </p><p></p><p>Also, at the onset of the action, no body could have known how long it the fight would last. We now know, at least one survivor was on the roof at the annex; gravely injured, for almost 20 hours on his own. Since there was no way to know how long this action would be, how can we in hindsight say that not mustering the qrf in Italy was logical? When would have been the right time to draw weapons and load onto the bird? What is the par time for the qrf to be in the air? The answer to the last two questions are not dictated by hindsight</p><p></p><p>Blaming this administration for what happened in Benghazi, through their failure to act or their gross negligence is valid and is not an indictment of the Africom commander as he answers to that administration.</p><p></p><p>The best timeline i have seen thus far regarding this incident.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/damning-benghazi-timeline-spreadsheet.html" target="_blank">http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/damning-benghazi-timeline-spreadsheet.html</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="uncle money bags, post: 2268756, member: 8377"] I appreciate your well spoken response to the quote by subprep. However, the key element to your argument rests on incorrect data. The closest military assets were not in italy, unless you were specifically referring to conventional US armed forces. This ignores the other personel; civilian and military, who were within 45 minutes travel time to Benghazi. In which case, you would be correct but your point is not valid. General Ham is as you describe him in so far as I can tell from descriptions by persons who know more about him than I, including yourself. This does not explain why other assets were told to stand down by civilian leaders. The decision on the ground in that ao should have been the ranking US military officer at the scene. He wanted to go, and was told no. The responsibility for what happened after that moment rests in the hands of the ordering authority that denied the request, and that person was not General Ham. Also, at the onset of the action, no body could have known how long it the fight would last. We now know, at least one survivor was on the roof at the annex; gravely injured, for almost 20 hours on his own. Since there was no way to know how long this action would be, how can we in hindsight say that not mustering the qrf in Italy was logical? When would have been the right time to draw weapons and load onto the bird? What is the par time for the qrf to be in the air? The answer to the last two questions are not dictated by hindsight Blaming this administration for what happened in Benghazi, through their failure to act or their gross negligence is valid and is not an indictment of the Africom commander as he answers to that administration. The best timeline i have seen thus far regarding this incident. [url]http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/damning-benghazi-timeline-spreadsheet.html[/url]. [/QUOTE]
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