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<blockquote data-quote="uncle money bags" data-source="post: 2269915" data-attributes="member: 8377"><p>I said three and a half hours.</p><p>I dont know what map you are looking at, but Zagreb on my map is about 100 miles closer to Benghazi than Aviano. I count 970 miles.</p><p>How long does it take for a C 130 to make that flight? how long does it take a C17? Include the ramp time and run up if you want.</p><p></p><p>Now we have at least some agreement, as far as expressly blaming the military. What I have heard is that if the military assets which could have been able to respond were at a readiness level commensurate with the threat level , Benghazi would have ended much differently. I interpret one way, you another.</p><p></p><p>F16s. They would be able to do the same thing they do anywhere else in the world, and JDAMS are not the only ordnance they could do it with. you and I have different opinions on this as well. I believe, if someone comes to the fight and then sticks around after it is apparent that the "protest" part is over and the "killing" part has started they get no quarter from me. Any one of those American lives at that point are worth more to me than (insert number here) of the enemy. You seem to believe that just because some of them were "unarmed" they shouldn't be counted as combatants. I don't think the lesson learned in Mog about this has been learned on your part.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of Mogadishu. You and I have differing opinions about that too, it seems. That's fair and I welcome it. However, to claim " ( Mogadishu)..<em>.a town lacking any sort of AA or organized paramilitary strength.</em>", is pretty far fetched considering the loss of three helicopters and considerable damage to several others. And considering that the whole reason we were in the country to begin with was because of the " organized paramilitary" threat. There are several reasons for what happened in Mog. The primary of which was poor leadership at key levels of the military leadership, insane communication protocols that made it damn near impossible to direct a fight, denial of equipment that would have done a better job protecting soldiers while they did their job. I think a lot of those problems have been addressed as part of the lessons learned feedback. I also believe that the military forces that were available could have made a difference at Benghazi. </p><p></p><p>Finally, I disagree as to your assessment that the protesting force in Benghazi had " much more capable defenses". The fact is, there were no significant differences between the weapons used in either place, except perhaps counting mortar tubes. If the opfor at Benghazi was such a formidable force I am confident that we would not have the info we have now because there wouldn't be any one left to tell us about it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="uncle money bags, post: 2269915, member: 8377"] I said three and a half hours. I dont know what map you are looking at, but Zagreb on my map is about 100 miles closer to Benghazi than Aviano. I count 970 miles. How long does it take for a C 130 to make that flight? how long does it take a C17? Include the ramp time and run up if you want. Now we have at least some agreement, as far as expressly blaming the military. What I have heard is that if the military assets which could have been able to respond were at a readiness level commensurate with the threat level , Benghazi would have ended much differently. I interpret one way, you another. F16s. They would be able to do the same thing they do anywhere else in the world, and JDAMS are not the only ordnance they could do it with. you and I have different opinions on this as well. I believe, if someone comes to the fight and then sticks around after it is apparent that the "protest" part is over and the "killing" part has started they get no quarter from me. Any one of those American lives at that point are worth more to me than (insert number here) of the enemy. You seem to believe that just because some of them were "unarmed" they shouldn't be counted as combatants. I don't think the lesson learned in Mog about this has been learned on your part. Speaking of Mogadishu. You and I have differing opinions about that too, it seems. That's fair and I welcome it. However, to claim " ( Mogadishu)..[I].a town lacking any sort of AA or organized paramilitary strength.[/I]", is pretty far fetched considering the loss of three helicopters and considerable damage to several others. And considering that the whole reason we were in the country to begin with was because of the " organized paramilitary" threat. There are several reasons for what happened in Mog. The primary of which was poor leadership at key levels of the military leadership, insane communication protocols that made it damn near impossible to direct a fight, denial of equipment that would have done a better job protecting soldiers while they did their job. I think a lot of those problems have been addressed as part of the lessons learned feedback. I also believe that the military forces that were available could have made a difference at Benghazi. Finally, I disagree as to your assessment that the protesting force in Benghazi had " much more capable defenses". The fact is, there were no significant differences between the weapons used in either place, except perhaps counting mortar tubes. If the opfor at Benghazi was such a formidable force I am confident that we would not have the info we have now because there wouldn't be any one left to tell us about it. [/QUOTE]
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