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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2778001" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>As to the bolded above, yes it's a problem, yes it's a big deal and yes it's wrong. </p><p></p><p>I have written those letters to my elected officials. I've explained how the VA has their own attorneys, their own judges (ALJ's) and their own completely internal system. That system is not set up to reasonably or effectively adjudicate anything beyond veteran's benefits. Period!</p><p></p><p>Have you spoken to a VA ALJ about this issue? Because I actually have. He agreed that this is the wrong venue in which to make a determination on whether a veteran should have their 2nd Amendment rights rescinded. I don't care what you say, placing a veteran on the NICS prohibited list IS infringement on their 2nd Amendment rights. You will not win that argument.</p><p></p><p>Now I don't have a problem with a process for the VA to refer a veteran who's been adjudicated mentally incompetent <u>within their system for benefits purposes</u>, to a fair and impartial court with full due process on determining constitutional rights restrictions.</p><p></p><p>Simply put, the VA is scaring vets who truly need help with the threat of stripping their rights in exchange for said help. Short of the IRS, the VA is probably the most flawed government administration today. No one should be comfortable with those clowns administering a process that intertwines removal of constitutional rights with providing services and benefits to our veterans. It's an extreme disservice to our vets.</p><p></p><p>You're correct that the "VA police" aren't going out doing gun confiscations. You're wrong if you try to say that state and federal agencies aren't. You're wrong if you say that those VA NICS notifications <u>can't</u> result in confiscations, because the State of California employs a special unit to compare registered firearms owners against that list and they make house calls.</p><p></p><p>You're correct that there's some hyperbole in this thread. You're not entirely free of it yourself though. You can have your own opinions, but not your own set of facts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2778001, member: 1132"] As to the bolded above, yes it's a problem, yes it's a big deal and yes it's wrong. I have written those letters to my elected officials. I've explained how the VA has their own attorneys, their own judges (ALJ's) and their own completely internal system. That system is not set up to reasonably or effectively adjudicate anything beyond veteran's benefits. Period! Have you spoken to a VA ALJ about this issue? Because I actually have. He agreed that this is the wrong venue in which to make a determination on whether a veteran should have their 2nd Amendment rights rescinded. I don't care what you say, placing a veteran on the NICS prohibited list IS infringement on their 2nd Amendment rights. You will not win that argument. Now I don't have a problem with a process for the VA to refer a veteran who's been adjudicated mentally incompetent [U]within their system for benefits purposes[/U], to a fair and impartial court with full due process on determining constitutional rights restrictions. Simply put, the VA is scaring vets who truly need help with the threat of stripping their rights in exchange for said help. Short of the IRS, the VA is probably the most flawed government administration today. No one should be comfortable with those clowns administering a process that intertwines removal of constitutional rights with providing services and benefits to our veterans. It's an extreme disservice to our vets. You're correct that the "VA police" aren't going out doing gun confiscations. You're wrong if you try to say that state and federal agencies aren't. You're wrong if you say that those VA NICS notifications [U]can't[/U] result in confiscations, because the State of California employs a special unit to compare registered firearms owners against that list and they make house calls. You're correct that there's some hyperbole in this thread. You're not entirely free of it yourself though. You can have your own opinions, but not your own set of facts. [/QUOTE]
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