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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2997274" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>I understand that point, and I agree, to a degree. However, I would counter with the obvious that we see visual evidence of crowds and crowds of these folks, in ALL of the countries I mentioned, frequently gathering and demonstrating against the West, and up in arms about the very issues being discussed. See the crowds attacking people in Pakistan who are accused of blasphemy, etc., the large crowds in these other countries doing the same - we've seen reports I can personally remember in the last couple of years coming out of not just Pakistan, but Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, Indonesia etc., demonstrating these things. Unless, of course, those are all fabricated, which I will admit, could very well be - we have seen the news media on BOTH sides manipulating footage of such things to suit their agenda.</p><p></p><p>I'm just saying, I strongly question the assertion that the number of the 1.6B Muslims who hate the US and the West and approve of us being bombed, tortured or otherwise destroyed is a tiny minority. I think we've got enough evidence to the contrary to AT LEAST <strong>question </strong>this.</p><p></p><p>And YG, while I do commend you for your research into the various religions and for doing what you can to expose yourself to them, I also have to point out, when you invite a Muslim to come into your home, this person, here in the US, likely isn't equivalent to your average Pakistani or Indonesian Muslim walking the streets in their home country. The selection bias is unavoidable - you are seeing Muslims who, if not born and raised here, at least were willing to leave their home countries and come here for work, education, or whatnot. While they can give you some insight into some thoughts regarding Islam, I could certainly see this not being strongly representative of the population we are concerned about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2997274, member: 9374"] I understand that point, and I agree, to a degree. However, I would counter with the obvious that we see visual evidence of crowds and crowds of these folks, in ALL of the countries I mentioned, frequently gathering and demonstrating against the West, and up in arms about the very issues being discussed. See the crowds attacking people in Pakistan who are accused of blasphemy, etc., the large crowds in these other countries doing the same - we've seen reports I can personally remember in the last couple of years coming out of not just Pakistan, but Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, Indonesia etc., demonstrating these things. Unless, of course, those are all fabricated, which I will admit, could very well be - we have seen the news media on BOTH sides manipulating footage of such things to suit their agenda. I'm just saying, I strongly question the assertion that the number of the 1.6B Muslims who hate the US and the West and approve of us being bombed, tortured or otherwise destroyed is a tiny minority. I think we've got enough evidence to the contrary to AT LEAST [B]question [/B]this. And YG, while I do commend you for your research into the various religions and for doing what you can to expose yourself to them, I also have to point out, when you invite a Muslim to come into your home, this person, here in the US, likely isn't equivalent to your average Pakistani or Indonesian Muslim walking the streets in their home country. The selection bias is unavoidable - you are seeing Muslims who, if not born and raised here, at least were willing to leave their home countries and come here for work, education, or whatnot. While they can give you some insight into some thoughts regarding Islam, I could certainly see this not being strongly representative of the population we are concerned about. [/QUOTE]
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