It's Official - I hate the GOP

[inactive]

You'll have better luck trying to instigate change from within the GOP than turning Obama into anything close to what you desire.

This is actually the my answer to the question you asked, "If you're an Independant, why aren't you fighting the same way over the Democratic nomination?"

Because an incumbent goes effectively unchallenged for the nomination for their reelection. It would be futile to attempt to affect change by denying Obama the nomination. Independents who dislike Obama, be them conservative or moderate or whatever, stand a better chance of getting a representative nominee in the party seeking to gain the seat, to wit the Republican party.

Nor should they. Why should someone not affiliated with the party get to take part in the party process for deteriming the party candidate?

Because this is the process of electing the leadership of our country, and really should be held to a higher standard that picking from two dolts that were voted the coolest kids of their respective idiot clubs. The fact we allow parties to exist, especially in their current state, is a black mark on our Republic. We've let the political system in this country go to ****, frankly.

 

[Shadowrider]

The other aspect of this is Romney will have 8 more long years to appoint judges and O would only have 4 years.

I'm sure everyone is looking forward to 8 long years of Romney in the WH. 8 State of the Union speeches, the last being January 2021

This point is moot.

Obama is in the process of stacking the court with younger Justices. Elena Kagan is only 50. It's very possible that he will get 3 or 4 more in the next 4 years as four of the current justices were all born in the '30's, with one born in 1948 and another in 1950. After the next Presidential term I doubt that we will see any more appointments for the next several Presidential terms. For some odd reason SC Justices seem to serve for many years, they just don't retire at 65 like everyone else.

This is why we MUST have a new .prez or a House and Senate that will refuse to appoint a nominee just because they have a good legal background and resume and are deemed "qualified".

 

[RidgeHunter]

You'll have better luck trying to instigate change from within the GOP than turning Obama into anything close to what you desire.

You're missing the point GTG is making. The GOP refuses to allow change, its own arrogance will be its downfall, and a much deserved one at that.

I'd say the vast majority of Paul supporters are behind him solely for his foreign policy. Mostly young people that may not agree on him with anything else are behind him because they can't remember a time when we weren't at 'war' with something/someone/some idea and they are tired of it being pushed by both parties. If the democrats make note of this, and start pushing some candidates that aren't on the "they hate use because we are free" bandwagon, they will own every election by a landslide from here on out. Instead of trying to reach out to this group of voters, the GOP stands there and laughs at them, marginalizes them and alienates them. These are the voters of the future, and they are just now starting to show up. The GOP has made it clear they don't want them, and assuming Paul is not a viable choice, the democrats would be wise to scoop them up, if not now, in the next election cycle.

The GOP is laughably cocky when they have no reason to be. In a manner similar to their views on foreign policy, they will blame everybody but themselves when they get their asses kicked by an incumbent Democrat that nobody really even likes anymore.

I'm sure everyone is looking forward to 8 long years of Romney in the WH. 8 State of the Union speeches, the last being January 2021

That sentence is soul-crushing.

 

[HMFIC]

We've let the political system in this country go to ****, frankly.

I can't argue with this although everyone through the ages has felt the same way.

I'm frustrated by the system, lack of cantidates that I really like, and the seeming futility of it all myself.

But I'll still keep trying... what would you be if you didn't try.

In the context of problems within our political system, I'm honestly more worried about "National Popular Vote" movement than anything else right now.

 

[bilboben]

Then you should definitely hold out for the correct candidate. Romney is as likely to nominate a soft on the Constitution candidate as Obama. The difference being a walk on during confirmation, vs. a protracted battle where Obama might have to withdraw his candidate.

Ron Paul WILL NOT nominate a statist candidate. He would nominate a strict constitutionalist.

Like it or not, Romney on the GOP ticket WILL split the party and that's a win for Obama. Want Obama defeated? Then get on the bus now, because it's already almost too late.

You say this like it is fact, I don't know what kind of person Romney or anybody else will submit for the SC, but I do know what Obama submits, plus you talk as if the GOP has sowed up the Congress on both houses. I cannot risk that to be a fact either.

 

[SMS]

It's all pointless. I'm too busy doing important stuff like punching myself in the sack to worry about it anymore.

 

[inactive]

That sentence is soul-crushing.

Add in the premiere of MTV's Caged, I'd definitely say the world's set to end in 2012.

 

[Hobbes]

This point is moot.

Obama is in the process of stacking the court with younger Justices. Elena Kagan is only 50. It's very possible that he will get 3 or 4 more in the next 4 years as four of the current justices were all born in the '30's, with one born in 1948 and another in 1950. After the next Presidential term I doubt that we will see any more appointments for the next several Presidential terms. For some odd reason SC Justices seem to serve for many years, they just don't retire at 65 like everyone else.

This is why we MUST have a new .prez or a House and Senate that will refuse to appoint a nominee just because they have a good legal background and resume and are deemed "qualified".

It's not a moot point.
Those justices might be able to hang on for 4 years and not 8 years.

What should really happen is a constitutional amendment to limit justices to a single 10 or 20yr term anyway.

 

[HMFIC]

You're missing the point GTG is making. The GOP refuses to allow change, its own arrogance will be its downfall, and a much deserved one at that.

Because the leadership doesn't support Ron Paul? I hardly think that's an indictment on ability to change. I'd say that change is always feared and that every organization over 10 people has the same issue. Refusing to support the party or the cantidate offerred will only lead to downfall if in fact enought people feel strong enough and the same way. But then again... if that were the case, then the party would in fact by definition have changed.

I'd say the vast majority of Paul supporters are behind him solely for his foreign policy. Mostly young people that may not agree on him with anything else are behind him because they can't remember a time when we weren't at 'war' with something/someone/some idea and they are tired of it being pushed by both parties. If the democrats make note of this, and start pushing some candidates that aren't on the "they hate use because we are free" bandwagon, they will own every election by a landslide from here on out. Instead of trying to reach out to this group of voters, the GOP stands there and laughs at them, marginalizes them and alienates them.

I'd say that the vast majority of Paul supporters are behind him solely for his individual freedoms policy.

The GOP is laughably cocky when they have no reason to be. In a manner similar to their views on foreign policy, they will blame everybody but themselves when they get their asses kicked by an incumbent Democrat that nobody really even likes anymore.

We'll see I guess, but I don't view it like that. Again... just because the GOP leadership doesn't support Paul, it doesn't mean they are cocky, blaming or <insert choice of Paul supporters rhetoric here>

 

[HMFIC]

It's all pointless. I'm too busy doing important stuff like punching myself in the sack to worry about it anymore.

LOL.

And on that note, I think I'll go do the same.