tornado shelters and schools are now the attention.....

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Tyson C.

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I guess I am a clueless type of guy, or I take my common sense for granted; I would think that in California they have a certain "building code" due to earthquakes, because you know they happen out that way. I would think that in north/north eastern states that experience heavy snow that they have certain "building code" for snow weight, because you know that happens out that way. I would think that when Louisiana was being built some type of levy was built because its below sea level, so flooding can happen pretty easily due to hurricanes, because you know those happen over there. (I mean the levy worked until something really huge happened). I WOULD THINK that in OKLAHOMA storm shelters would be of some “building code” to at least a public schools, public places etc... BECAUSE WE LIVE IN TORNADO ALLEY! not earthquake alley, not snow alley, not flood alley, TORNADO ALLEY :disappoin:twocents: (have you checked with your local schools)

i could care less about political stances...this iscommon sense that should be part of the orignal build, not after words. but like human nature and error, it takes death to improve or bring attention to something that has been pushed off to the side.

sorry for the :rant: but just wanted to vent it out here because i enjoy the OSA voice.......balls in your court community.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/oklahoma-schools-tornado-shelters_n_3314821.html

The two elementary schools leveled by the deadly tornado that swept through the Oklahoma City area Monday lacked designated safe rooms designed to protect children and teachers, despite state warnings that the absence of such facilities imperils lives.

At least two other schools in Moore -- the epicenter of the disaster -- did have safe rooms. So far no fatalities have been tied to those schools, whose buildings were fortified after a devastating twister hit the area in 1999.

These disparities in structural standards speak to the seeming randomness of who lived and who died in a natural disaster now blamed for taking the lives of at least 24 people, including nine children. Requirements for safe rooms in public schools vary from community to community across the swath of Midwestern and Southern states so accustomed to lethal twisters that it is known as Tornado Alley.

In Oklahoma and in bordering states, land-use regulations are often derided as unnecessary government intrusions. State building codes do not require that schools provide safe rooms, leaving the decision to individual school districts.

State emergency managers in Oklahoma do not track which schools maintain adequate storm shelters -- a fact state authorities highlighted as a worrisome deficiency in their most recent disaster plan submitted to the federal government.

"This presents a substantial life safety and injury risk to children as well as school staff and visitors," reads the 2011 plan, which every state must periodically submit to the Federal Emergency Management Agency as a condition of eligibility for disaster assistance.

Albert Ashwood, director of the Oklahoma Department of Emergency Management, told reporters at a news conference Tuesday that the two schools in Moore that were destroyed Monday did not have safe rooms.

The deaths of at least seven children inside the city's flattened Plaza Towers Elementary School has already prompted calls for greater protection in public schools.

"Why are there not safe rooms in these schools?" asked Moore resident Randall Thurman, whose son goes to another nearby school that is outfitted with a safe room. "I'm really upset talking about that elementary school."

"It's unconscionable that we don't have a place where the parents feel that it's safe for their kids during the day," said Oklahoma state Rep. Joe Dorman (D), who pushed Tuesday for legislative leaders to propose a $500 million bond issue to pay for safe rooms in schools and near homes. "If those kids are going to be there from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m., they need to have that sense of security, and the structure needs to be safer. It's a no-brainer."

Since the 1990s, experts have advocated for the increased use of FEMA-approved safe houses and safe rooms -- generally built to withstand winds of up to 250 miles per hour. Some school districts have built gyms that double as safe rooms, whereas others incorporate the designs into other interior rooms.

Emergency-management experts say the shelters are particularly crucial for buildings with hundreds of potentially captive people inside -- like schools, nursing homes and day-care centers -- and structurally unsound areas such as mobile-home parks.

"Those are vulnerable populations that need protection, and yet many of them are unprotected," said Ernst Kiesling, a professor of civil engineering at Texas Tech University who founded the National Storm Shelter Association to push for a uniform set of construction standards.

Getting the sufficient resources to build such structures has been a challenge. FEMA distributes grant money to states after major disasters to give communities an incentive to rebuild smarter and to avoid costlier disasters in the future. But support is limited, and local school districts still must come up with around a quarter of the costs for storm improvements.

In Oklahoma, districts have a mixed record of requiring tornado upgrades. After more than than 70 tornadoes tore through Oklahoma and parts of Kansas in May 1999 -- one of the costliest such outbreaks in U.S. history -- public schools in Oklahoma City, Tulsa and other cities across the state tapped into FEMA grant money to incorporate safe rooms into new school construction projects.

In Moore, which prior to Monday's storm was struck by tornadoes in 1999 and again in 2003, school board officials applied for FEMA funds to rebuild an elementary school and a high school damaged during the May 1999 storms. Both those buildings incorporated much stronger shelter designs in hallways and interior rooms, and one of the schools -- Kelley Elementary -- is featured as a prominent case study in FEMA's literature on tornado protection.

But the vast majority of older schools across the state, including the devastated Briarwood and Plaza Towers elementary schools in Moore, lack such upgrades.

The problem stems in part from the way the federal government doles out disaster funding. A major pot of money for building storm shelters is set aside in a FEMA program for hazard mitigation, which is designed to lower the costs of future disasters by adding improved building codes and structural designs.

Generally, homeowners or government bodies such as school districts put up 25 percent of the costs, and the federal government pitches in the rest. After the 1999 tornadoes, federal money paid for nearly 10,000 new safe rooms across Oklahoma, mostly for private homeowners.

But the money dries up over time, and there are usually far more applicants than available grants. Federal funding to guard against future disasters is distributed based on the cost of the prior disaster, meaning the money eventually runs out if there haven't been major disasters in an area in recent years.

"I think we've lost the momentum," said Ann Patton, a Tulsa writer and disaster consultant who worked with Project Impact, a group involved in Oklahoma's first push for safe houses.

The state had a lottery system for private homeowners who were interested in building safe rooms. But the rebate programs in Oklahoma City and other towns across the state are currently on hold due to insufficient funding.

The lack of resources also makes it difficult for the state to mandate construction of safe rooms in schools.

"If it were to happen at the state level, there would need to be funding behind it," said Amber England, government affairs director with the Oklahoma chapter of Stand for Children, an education advocacy group.

Alabama is one of the only states that requires new schools to be built with FEMA-approved safe rooms. After a tornado in 2007 killed eight students at the state's Enterprise High School, the legislature passed a requirement that new schools provide safe areas for students.

Leading construction experts have recognized the importance of including safe rooms in schools. An upcoming version of the International Building Code, a model code used to govern construction standards across the world, will recommend that new schools in high-risk tornado areas install safe rooms. But it could take 15 to 20 years for those standards to be adopted widely across the United States.

Experts say this week's tornadoes could offer a wake-up call for improving school safety.

"I will admit that the probability of being hit at a given location by a tornado is relatively small," said Kiesling, the Texas Tech engineering professor. "But that's not very comforting when you hear the sirens go off and you hear the weather warnings. I think the peace of mind is what you're buying, and it's worth a significant investment."

Ben Hallman reported from Moore, Okla., and Chris Kirkham and Joy Resmovits reported from New York.
 

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Safe rooms/shelters are a good idea, and I'm all for them. But we also have built-in "snow days" in Oklahoma for crying out loud.....can't we add a couple of "severe weather days", too? Meterologists were harping about this system last week, and pinpointed Monday as one of the most critical days. When it looks like it's a sure thing that there will be severe weather on a certain day, why can't they inform parents that on such-and-such day, conditions are right for severe storms, so school will be out that day for student's safety? Outside of that, figure out a way to add safe rooms or shelters to schools. But the quick day off would cost one hell of a lot less.
 

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I've seen a couple post on social media sites suggesting using the cargo containers bolted to concrete foundation and buried.
I guess maybe they would be to cheap and quick?
 

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I'm not sure the information is correct but some or most of the kids in Plaza Towers that were victims were in a basement area? If so what other type of shelter does everybody expect them to have?
 

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I'm not sure the information is correct but some or most of the kids in Plaza Towers that were victims were in a basement area? If so what other type of shelter does everybody expect them to have?

One of the things I was taught as a small child " A basement is not a tornado shelter".
Buildings collapse and fall in to basements.

That being said, if I have a choice , ride it out in a closet/hall or ride it out in a basement, I'd probably choose basement.
 

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Underground shelters are too vulnerable to the clay soil here (expansion, contraction). Why not pick an area near the school and build an above-ground shelter, and berm it? Put it somewhere where it's easy to move the kids there within a reasonable amount of time, and practice an evacuation to the shelter several times a year. Don't know - just thinking out loud.
 

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The world is full of good ideas. Some of them would certainly "help people."

But no matter how good the idea... there is only a limited pool of money. So then you have to figure out, "What is the most good I can do with XXX amount of money?" The odds of a really large tornado hitting an occupied school are actually quite low. I'm 51 and an Okie and it rarely happens. So you put hundreds of millions into building shelters at every school... what do you give up in return? You can't have everything. (I heard the estimate yesterday of 1.4 million dollars per school. And there are a lot of schools in this state. Vinita is a small town and we have four.)

Gregg
 

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Safe rooms or similar for schools are a no-brainer. Education bureaucrats need a big nudge from parents and politicians.

And don't forget...their vote to increase local taxes when passing the bond issue to build them. Money has to come from somewhere and the state already has more unfunded mandates in education than you can shake a stick at.
 

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