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Eagle Eye

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That's usually the fall back position of people positing something that hasn't yet been proven...or can't be proven because it isn't true. LOL.

If you could prove you were right, I would agree with you.

Since you apparently don't know the first thing about science I will laugh this ignorance off. Proof is just a word you throw around but you don't actually know the empirical hardship it takes to prove something. There are things that cannot be proven since there is only one world, one oklahoma therefore there cannot be the necessary replication needed to prove something. AGAIN this does not mean that the data we CAN get is not good enough to make educated decisions.

The prove statement is something that the rapers of the earth and of society fall back on and hide behind.
 

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Well, scientists know that too. They are concerned because the current seismic activity in Oklahoma is not USUAL.
I agree that it is not "usual", in our lifetime. On a geologic scale, this current flurry may be completely "usual". We've been in a position to determine the normalcy of geologic activity in this area for what, 100 years? Anyway, I sure don't know what's causing them. In fact, no one knows. Evidence, such as it is, may point to oil & gas activities, but that could be totally off base.

It would be interesting to see the 30 day 2.5 mag incidence map overlain with the locations of the various injection wells, etc.
 

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Since you apparently don't know the first thing about science I will laugh this ignorance off. Proof is just a word you throw around but you don't actually know the empirical hardship it takes to prove something. There are things that cannot be proven since there is only one world, one oklahoma therefore there cannot be the necessary replication needed to prove something. AGAIN this does not mean that the data we CAN get is not good enough to make educated decisions.

Here's the discussion so far:

You: Disposal wells cause earthquakes, CONFIRMED! Take that, oil company shills.

Me: Really? I don't see where your data confirms it, just correlates it. But I'm interested in any more proof you might have.

You: The studies show that there are disposal wells where the quakes happen! Why are you so blind to the truth?

Me: Cool, but I don't see how that is proof of causation! Can you show me some more facts?

You: You don't even SCIENCE, bro!!!! Roarrrrrrr.....

Awesome sciency discussion where having. ROTFLMFAO....
 

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I agree that it is not "usual", in our lifetime. On a geologic scale, this current flurry may be completely "usual". We've been in a position to determine the normalcy of geologic activity in this area for what, 100 years? Anyway, I sure don't know what's causing them. In fact, no one knows. Evidence, such as it is, may point to oil & gas activities, but that could be totally off base.

It would be interesting to see the 30 day 2.5 mag incidence map overlain with the locations of the various injection wells, etc.


HMM there is an idea. How about we stop the current practices and see how that changes the occurance of quakes. That's evidence that the deniers are scared of. Never would they allow this.... nothing that could potentially hurt their pocket books.
 

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Here's the discussion so far:

You: Disposal wells cause earthquakes, CONFIRMED! Take that, oil company shills.

Me: Really? I don't see where your data confirms it, just correlates it. But I'm interested in any more proof you might have.

You: The studies show that there are disposal wells where the quakes happen! Why are you so blind to the truth?

Me: Cool, but I don't see how that is proof of causation! Can you show me some more facts?

You: You don't even SCIENCE, bro!!!! Roarrrrrrr.....

Awesome sciency discussion where having. ROTFLMFAO....


When did i say CONFIRMED? Oh your not speaking literally. I see what you did there. Surfs up Bro
 

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HMM there is an idea. How about we stop the current practices and see how that changes the occurance of quakes. That's evidence that the deniers are scared of. Never would they allow this.... nothing that could potentially hurt their pocket books.

You would be taking a risk with that idea. It could easily be that if oil & gas activity is the culprit, actions already set in motion could continue for years even if we immediately stop current practices. In other words, we've already lubricated the system and it will continue to move for many years. 10 years from now, they'll say how stupid the idea was to stop injecting because it didn't change a thing.
 

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The solar system is a rough neighborhood, and planets that have a lot of gravitational pull on them often have an active core. The surface will fracture along faults and there will be bumping and grinding. It will happen whether we drill or not. Like global warming, these events have occurred without our intervention. The fact that we are contributing to these events at the same time they are happening does not mean we caused them. They happen anyway.
 

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You would be taking a risk with that idea. It could easily be that if oil & gas activity is the culprit, actions already set in motion could continue for years even if we immediately stop current practices. In other words, we've already lubricated the system and it will continue to move for many years. 10 years from now, they'll say how stupid the idea was to stop injecting because it didn't change a thing.

That is a risk i am glad i don't have to take. BUT, if i were a researcher at the USGS I might know better. At that point is all a statistics game.
 

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